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Re: Help Build The Archive!

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Bochek,

Is WatchFIRSTnow just downloading other people/teams/organizational video and uploading them to their own Vimeo Account and "Archiving" events?

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-Clinton-
That is the source of some of the content yes. We are constantly looking for sources for videos. We are creating an archive so that there is one location to find all records.

There are other ways to create a one-location archive of match footage instead of uploading them to your own account, as shown by The Blue Alliance.

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We are not claiming any content as our own. In fact, we operate at a financial LOSS and have no source of income coming from the archive. We spent countless hours sorting and organizing content. To call what we are doing unprofessional is insulting.
It is also insulting to other teams to have their footage stolen from them, without having been asked permission or have been given any credit. I have seen that this has happened to 1676 on WatchFIRSTNow, and I had no knowledge of it until I went to their site and discovered their videos are our videos. That is footage that 1676 has spent countless time on sorting and organizing, and all that I see WatchFIRSTNow has done to it is downloaded it from YouTube using a third-party and then uploaded it to their Vimeo. Downloading and then uploading others' videos to your own account without permission or mentioning their source can be seem by some as claiming the content as your own. Theft is theft in my mind, which I don't view as professional. Just as you are offended when your work is downgraded, members on 1676 work hard and take pride in recording footage of each match, and won't appreciate it when credit is taken from them.

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There are many problems with submitting videos to TBA. Most YouTube videos have their audio removed after a few months due to copyright claims. And all of the videos linked on TBA are subject to users deleting their YouTube accounts or removing videos.
In our 1,300+ videos on our YouTube Channel, most of which is match footage, we have not had a single video have it audio removed. But, the audio would still violate Fair Use on Vimeo, and could still be removed due to it being illegal. And, they are subject to being deleted/removed by users since they are their property, and thus the users retain the right to take down their work if they have their own reasons, which they should.

I'm not trying to put down your efforts, I am actually glad that people notice the problem of poor archiving and are leading the charge to step up the community's efforts. I just don't understand where the fairness is in taking other team's footage without permission or recognition and posting it on your own account without their knowledge.
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