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Originally Posted by jeremylee
I don't know the details of the 2nd penalty, I never saw it watching the match. Also add in no call for isolation on the opposing alliance for parking to prevent pickup of a ball in the corner of the 1 point goal and wall for what seemed like an eternity, this was a very tough loss.
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I feel that as the driver of the opposing alliance's captain, I should input some into this conversation.
I must say that we, too, were shocked when we discovered that there were 100 points in penalties that match; we were on the way to pack up and move out. Honestly, we didn't even see the debatable possession of the ball because we were watching in horror as our robot didn't move. I do want to provide some of the details of the second penalty that match; the penalty that you didn't see.
As soon as autonomous was done, we went to prevent team 93 from obtaining the ball from the in-bounding station, as we had decided that the majority of their strategy hinged on their retrieving the ball ASAP. As we were pushing up against them(I don't remember how hard we hit them; it wasn't "ramming speed" but it may have been forceful enough to result in some of the ensuing penalty) their claw/arm became entangled inside our frame perimeter a good 4-5," and one of their wheels on the arm became hooked around our frame. As they pulled away after about 5 seconds of struggling, part of their claw snagged the power cord to our radio, unplugging it and disabling our top scoring robot for the match, resulting in the low score which the opposing alliance easily outscored.
Additionally, I would like to speak of the ball isolation you mentioned and how it looked from our perspective. I personally wasn't part of that maneuver, but I agree now replaying the match in my head that it very well could have been a foul; however the rule about isolation is very subjective. The rule you are referring to is G12-D (I would assume) which says "overt isolation or holding one or more BALLS against a FIELD element or ROBOT in an attempt to shield them" is prohibited. Our alliance members were not holding the ball against the wall, so I believe the only applicable part of that is "overt isolation." The rules say that G12 is to prevent the opposing alliance from inhibiting interaction with the ball, which is why this particular incident is in question, as the alliance was unable to touch their ball for quite a long time.
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I removed a section here because it was a mis-remember and I was describing a completely different match
Whether this is overt isolation or not, I don't know; the rules don't say what overt isolation is; however, my guess as to why it wasn't called is that either
A) The referees didn't see it
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B) The fact that the ball was accessible from some sides did not qualify as "overt isolation" in the eyes of any referee that saw it.
Again, I just wanted to add our perspective to this conversation and point out that at least half of the 100 penalty points was valid as there was a very obvious robot inside frame perimeter which disabled a robot completely. As for the ball possession foul I have no idea; I was trying to figure out why our scoring robot was dead and didn't see the incident. And in regards to the ball isolation, I think we have a case of referee subjectivity as, from my perspective, it could have been perceived as a foul, but it also could make sense to not have been one.