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Unread 30-03-2014, 19:53
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Re: Why does everyone hate this game so much?

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Originally Posted by Oblarg View Post
Ah, okay, that makes a lot more sense.

I don't see anything in that video that is even close to what ought to be a foul - clearly, your bot did absolutely nothing wrong, and the other bot caused no damage except to themselves and did nothing malicious so much as careless (though, to their credit, they weren't that far outside of their frame perimeter when the entanglement happened). That you got called for a tech foul there is absurd.

It seems this sort of stuff varies a lot by regional - I was very content with the reffing at Greater DC. We played stiff, aggressive (but not damaging or violent) defense for the vast majority of the competition and had no problems with bad calls.
I would have been happy with a simple non call or foul reversal, which is what we argued for.

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Originally Posted by Adam Freeman View Post
I hope the waitlist goes in your favor. Looks like you guys have a good machine that we would love to play with at Champs. If not, hopefully we will see you guys at MARC this summer.
Thanks, Adam. That means a lot coming from you.

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There are many reasons to "like" this game. But, I can understand why many teams could "hate" this game...or atleast the way the refs, rules, scheduling, etc. have played out this year.

I don't hate this game. I think the eliminations are exciting. Qualifications can be a little hard to watch, but that is most years. Overall we often view the quality of the game based on our individual results. I liked playing in 2009 and hated 2006 for a long time. But, looking back 2006 was a great game...just not for us b/c we were never playing it correctly....while '09 is favorable b/c we had a good strategy that worked out really well for us.

Overall the rules, ref consistency, and scheduling are really effecting my opinion of this game. If we can overcome those issues and take advantage of a really good machine this year, I think that Aerial Assist will leave a good taste in our mouths. If we get screwed by assists, poor schedule, refs, etc... I may come to hate this game.
We've had enough teams being adversely impacted by this game. I'd love for more teams to communicate positive experiences. However, I don't think that is going to happen without extensive short-term intervention and an investment in long-term corrective actions by the core FIRST leadership.
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