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Re: Gearing for a Very High Speed

Quote:
Originally Posted by John View Post
if I have time I might add the math to back it up
Here's some quick rough calculations using some simple numbers to illustrate a point.

Say you have a CIM with 10.4 volts applied and loaded with 206.1 oz*in of torque. It will be spinning at 1416 RPM, drawing 80.5 amps, generating 215.8 mechanical output watts, and running at 25.8% efficiency.

Now add a 3x speed reduction gearbox. For sake of simplicity for this simple calculation, ignore gearbox losses. To produce the same output speed and torque as above, the CIM needs to produce 68.7 oz*in torque at 4248 RPM. To generate that torque at that RPM, the CIM will need 12 volts applied. It will draw 28.8 amps and be operating at 62.5% efficiency.

That's why you want to operate in low gear when possible appropriate.

Code:
Motor Calculator  build MCALC_2014d 2/3/2014 1255pm


Select motor:
1)CIM     6)FP0673   d)FP2719  f)FP9012     g)FP9015    h)FP9013 j)MiniCIM
a)am-0912 b)am-0914  7)DensoL  8)DensoR     c)Denso0160 k)BAG    u)UserDefined
2)RS395   3)RS540    4)RS550   e)RS775-12   5)RS775-18  m)RS555  n)am-0915
r)am-2193 s)am-2235  t)RS390   v)RS545      p)am-2161&2194
w)VEX2177hi  z)VEX2177std  1


CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 12.00 volts:

@ free (no load):
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
     0.0   0.000    5310   100.0     2.7         0.0        32.4     0.0

@ stall:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   343.4   2.425       0     0.0   133.0         0.0      1596.0     0.0

@ max power:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   171.7   1.212    2655    50.0    67.8       337.1       477.1    41.4

@ max efficiency:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
    42.8   0.302    4648    87.5    18.9       147.1        80.2    64.7

Select input:
1)oz-in  7)watts_in    3)rpm    5)amps   b)rpm&amps  8)eff%
2)Nm     6)watts_out   4)rpm%   9)volts  a)rpm&ozin  m)main menu   x)exit a


Enter motor rpm & ozin, and the program will calculate the motor voltage
required to produce the specified ozin at the specified rpm.

Enter rpm and ozin, separated by a space: 1416 206.1

CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 10.40 volts:

@ free (no load):
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
     0.0   0.000    4603   100.0     2.3         0.0        24.3     0.0

@ stall:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   297.7   2.102       0     0.0   115.3         0.0      1199.3     0.0

@ max power:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   148.8   1.051    2301    50.0    58.8       253.3       358.5    41.4

@ max efficiency:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
    37.1   0.262    4029    87.5    16.4       110.6        60.3    64.7

CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 10.40 volts:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   206.1   1.455    1416    30.8    80.5       215.8       622.0    25.8

Select input:
1)oz-in  7)watts_in    3)rpm    5)amps   b)rpm&amps  8)eff%
2)Nm     6)watts_out   4)rpm%   9)volts  a)rpm&ozin  m)main menu   x)exit a


Enter motor rpm & ozin, and the program will calculate the motor voltage
required to produce the specified ozin at the specified rpm.

Enter rpm and ozin, separated by a space: 4248 68.7

CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 12.00 volts:

@ free (no load):
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
     0.0   0.000    5310   100.0     2.7         0.0        32.4     0.0

@ stall:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   343.4   2.425       0     0.0   133.0         0.0      1596.2     0.0

@ max power:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   171.7   1.213    2655    50.0    67.9       337.1       477.2    41.4

@ max efficiency:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
    42.8   0.302    4648    87.5    18.9       147.2        80.2    64.7

CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 12.00 volts:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
    68.7   0.485    4248    80.0    28.8       215.8       129.4    62.5

Last edited by Ether : 28-06-2014 at 09:13. Reason: clarified intent