[EvilInside]

In reply to the outrageous comments made about team 810, I feel that I need too add. 810 has done an extremely good job at doing what they think the Spirit of FIRST is. M. Krass has made many statements about her standpoint on the Spirit of FIRST, and what 810 has done embodies those ideals. They have students learning, not just building a robot. Now, granted, they look to have the luck of a very supportive community and possibly large funds (Or even better support) but that isn't a fault. They should be congratulated for utilizing the money they have in such a productive manner. As for engineer built, the CNCing is not a complicated task. I'd be willing to wager that at least 3 people on that team, if given materials and a CNC, could have done what the mill shops did. I know we got lucky and 4 weeks into the competition a student joined that can mill just as good as anyone (and I mean anyone). Now, due to laziness on the funds team, we had extremely limited funding, but we don't mind. As for "engineer takeover" I've experienced the exact opposite: We had one of our two engineers and one of our three teachers not participate this year. Our single engineer welded, one teacher helped on electrical & programming, and one helped machine. The majority of the robot was designed by the students with some input from my dad, (who by the way doesn't have a degree in any form of engineering). Now, show me some pictures of your robot, and I can begin tearing you apart piece by piece if you really want, because an attitude like that deserves it.