[Oblarg]

Originally Posted by Karthik

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm having a hard time reconciling these two statements, unless your intent was to say that you were making an obnoxious and likely incorrect claim. // {I'm slow at posting, you and Cory addressed before I could hit send.}

I don't see how it's contradictory to believe that "'claiming a specific team has all their work done by mentors' is obnoxious and incorrect" and also "I would not have gotten anything out of simply watching other people do work, from which I can conclude that there is value in students doing the work and so claims that 'it does not matter who does the work' are ill-founded."

If I had mentioned "like team 254" in that statement, yes, it would have been obnoxious and incorrect. I did not. I think it's worth noting that the "team of engineers" hypothetical has been used multiple times by people on both sides of this issue, often to the tune of "if a team wants to do that, then there's nothing wrong with it." That doesn't carry the implication that any teams necessarily do that.