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Re: Robowranglers 2015: Batman & Robin
There are many seemingly conflicting Q&A answers concerning the issue. Q141 seems to conflict with the following G27 and the 2 allowed exceptions.
But, Q141 asks the specific question (Is it legal to feed litter over the alliance wall to a robot). And the answer was published on 1-13-2015.
The G27 rule though as currently written: As of 2-16-2015 8:30 PM MST
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G27 ROBOTS and anything they control (except for LITTER in the LITTER CHUTE and TOTES in the TOTE CHUTE), may not contact
anything outside the FIELD.
VIOLATION: Offending ROBOT will be DISABLED.
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Is it possible that Q141 could be true and G27 not violated in any way (numerous possibilities there)...Absolutely YES! And it IS LEGAL...Which was the question.
If, the human player legally feeds the Litter over the alliance wall to an RC, HP stays out of the field, and does not contact a Robot or anything controlled by a robot on the field.
IE: Robot stacks totes, w/ RC on top of Totes. Robot backs off stack (Totes and stack no longer controlled by robot), and HP feeds Litter into RC...Easy Peasy! No G27 Penalty. Or, HP hangs Litter over alliance wall, stays out of the field, robot below, HP drops litter into robot, and litter does not contact robot while still off the field. Again, easy. No G27 Penalty. There are others possible.
It could be easily argued LOGICALLY & SPECIFICALLY, even without any human contact (impossible to do without throwing it or dropping it over the alliance wall), that If the Litter is OUTSIDE the Field when inserted (it is an "ANYTHING" outside the field, or AN ITEM REFERRED TO, the litter is not IN THE LITTER CHUTE, is not a TOTE IN THE TOTE CHUTE, and the RC will be the "ANYTHING a robot controls!"
Is it (LITTER), Anything outside the field....Yes.
Is the Robot controlling the RC...Yes.
Is it in 1 of the 2 exempted spots (LITTER in LITTER CHUTE, or TOTE in TOTE CHUTE)?.....No.
Is it exempt....Not under the Rule G27 (and it's included 2 specific exceptions of course).
Does a Q&A conflict...Absolutely YES & NO (See Q141! and its associated answer).
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Q. Is it legal for a human player to feed a pool noodle to a robot from above the wall rather than the litter chute?
2015-01-12 by FRC3339A.
There are no rules that would prohibit this, but special attention should be paid to G4: "DRIVE TEAMS may not extend any body part into the FIELD during the MATCH" and G1: "ROBOTS whose operation ... is dangerous or unsafe are not permitted."
2015-01-13 Published by GDC
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There is a Chicken & Egg type of problem here. (Sort of).
As I remember it, since there was quite a stir dealing mainly, I believed at the time, with those wanting their robots to contact or receive totes from the tote chutes directly, and many had already chosen designs and started building them, and G27 had no exceptions at that time (squeeky wheels got the grease via the 2 exceptions being made via the updated G27......(I would need to research it fully), but I remember that the G27 exceptions were a part of an update that was I believe, made after the referenced 1-8-2015 and 1-13-2015 Q&A dates! Oh Boy.
As I remember it G27 originally was printed as below (I will later look at the original FRC 2015 Password Protected Game Manual to confirm it),....without the 2 exceptions later added. (This caused a crap storm concerning those that wanted totes delivered directly to their robots, the 2 exceptions were later added). Squeeky wheels got greased!
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G27 ROBOTS and anything they control, may not contact
anything outside the FIELD.
VIOLATION: Offending ROBOT will be DISABLED.
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The RULE(s) trumps even Q&A answers I believe....Right?
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