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Re: G10, The Dallas Disable & Crickets Chirping in Manchester

Hey Rich

Just want to chime into say you'd be welcome reffing any regional I'm at. No, the 60-seconds wasn't a hard-and-fast rule in the book, but your warn-then-penalize approach seems fair if implemented as you've said in the thread.

If the team knows when the clock starts, gets 60 seconds, knows when it is about to expire, and has gotten several warnings from past matches, it seems fair that they should start getting penalties.
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While G10 is vague, the solution isn't to make your own rules around G10. The solution is to tell GDC that we need a better G10. Whether you're a Ref, Head Ref, FTA, team member, or spectator, it's better for all of us to have a better rule than to attempt to make up for the vagueness with "house rules" that change the competition depending on where you are competing.
As long as you enforce it consistently on every team throughout a regional, inter-regional differences shouldn't matter. If a team A is competing at regional X with a tough ref that doesn't give a hair over 60 seconds, it shouldn't matter that the team B at regional Y are having it easier. If team A and team B later compete at regional Z, it will still be under a level playing field run by the regional Z's ref.

I'd be fine with the rule being modified to something like:
"Teams must be given at least 60 seconds to set up. It is up to the head ref's discretion whether to hand out [penalties of some flavour] 60 seconds after the announced start of a 'setup period'. The start of the 'setup period' must be after all robots competing in the match have entered the field".
Edit: I have thought of a loophole, but this kind of rule design might be a fun separate topic itself.

If you don't want a penalty with that rule, just make sure you consistently set up fast. Ideally, it'd get built into the FMS and would be skippable if a conditions mean you don't have to enforce it or teams all get off the field super-quick.

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