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Originally Posted by Kpchem
My original quote is that having watched the videos several times I'm not 100% sure that the penalty should have been on Blue, which is what a lot of people here are arguing. If the referees at the event believe that Red's actions caused Blue to tip over the ball tube, then the penalty was applied correctly. If that's not the case and it was a mis-marked score sheet, then it was a mistake and the referees can correct that after the fact. However, what they cannot do is simply replay a match because that is what the teams in the match want.
I agree with the other posters in this thread that having the teams sign off on the scoresheets would have helped in this situation to make sure this wasn't an error, and this is why I always talk with teams after a match and explain any penalties that are called, so they understand what is being called before it is announced.
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OP:
Did the red alliance drop the goal? No. It's obvious in the footage. Here's where I add the fact that YES, I'm fully aware that video footage and replay is not allowed to be shown to referees to contest a call.
We were aware of this, and despite telling them a wrong call was made, we knew we wouldn't get much out of this.
We appealed to the gracious professionalism in the students from Tesla and Masquerade. We showed all of them the video. They all agreed - the call was wrong. We didn't tip over their goal. They did.
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The answer? No. Why? My understanding was that it was to save time. They couldn't spare 5 minutes to correct an enormous injustice. They were saving face and saving the tournament five minutes by completely shafting our alliance. We spent 7 months developing this robot and getting to this stage to be shut out for the purpose of saving five minutes.
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The Black Bolded: The fact of the matter is it was scored wrong and nothing was still done about it. Just to save time. This has happened multiple times.
Part of my problem here is that the more FRC based posters here are posting, not being a
100% sure on the way a match is scored and its penalties.
If a
BLUE goal is knocked over by a
BLUE robot, the
BLUE alliance is given a 50 Point Penalty, and no score for that goal.
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<GS14>: Robots may not tip over ANY Rolling Goal (deliberately or accidentally). If this occurs, the offending Alliance will incur a Major Penalty.
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If a
BLUE goal is knocked over by a
RED robot, the
RED Alliance is given a 50 point Penalty, and the
BLUE goal is scored as completely full, or 261 points for that goal.
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<GS5>: Robots may not de-Score Balls from any of the opponent Alliance’s Goals. If Balls are de-Scored, the offending Alliance will incur a Major Penalty per incident plus a Penalty equal to the maximum Ball Tube points for that Goal. Please note that <GS14> may also apply.
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It is clear in that video that 5026, a
BLUE alliance robot, tipped over the
BLUE rolling goal while the
RED robot was not touching 5026.
BLUE should have been penalized for it and not
RED.
If you were to read the rules, you may agree with us that the wrong call was made and nothing was done about it. That's part of the reason the OP is angry.
It's Elimination rounds, not qualifiers. If it was a qualification match it may not matter as much, but the fact that it was a deciding elimination match just makes this worse. Not to mention it could have meant that my team wouldn't have come out as the FTC World Champs. I understand its a gray area with the Head Ref, but I would rather inspire the kids than shove them away and told to forget about it. It just not right.