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Originally Posted by logank013

Every match I watched 254, they were super efficient and consistently made 4 stacks like 148 would. The ramp was a great idea even though it was stolen from 2056 I believe. I thought that they could have been a contender to make it to the semis on Einstein.

Originally Posted by MichaelBick

I'm not sure there was anybody more consistent at making 4 stacks a match capped than 254, especially considering the fact that they were also doing the co-op

Originally Posted by logank013

Agreed. I forgot about how they did Co-op too.

Originally Posted by tindleroot

I agreed with this completely...until SVR happened. Since then, 254 has blown me away by their abilities. No team, I repeat, NO TEAM, can score over 200 points BY THEMSELVES as consistently as 254 can. 254, time and time again, has scored 20+42+42+36+36+40=216 (given their opponent completes Co-op), hence their average over 200 at their final events. For them not to make it at LEAST to Einstein semifinals I thought was crazy - until it happened. Regardless, their robot made me "go crazy" after they improved for SVR.

Originally Posted by dodar

I read his post then saw you literally had the same reaction as me.

254 built an Einstein caliber robot this year; like they do most years.

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

Huh?

Originally Posted by Bryce2471

I had a similar response to reading this.

I would argue that 254's performance at SVR might have been the most dominant robot performance in the history of FRC. I haven't been around long enough to say for sure, but I can't imagine a robot that would be so much better than the competition.

I also don't have the numbers readily available, but I would be willing to bet that 254's OPR from SVR, put on a scale of standard deviation, would be the greatest outlier in FRC of all time.

Originally Posted by dodar

From what I've seen from people on here and the few videos around, 71 from 2002 is considered the most dominant. Since you say you've been around since 2007, just as I am, you should remember 1114 from 2008. I would place 254's performance this year behind both of those.

Originally Posted by asid61

254's performance this year was lower than the level of 71 in 2002 from what I've seen. I don't know how good 1114 did in 2008, but they would be very hard pressed to beat 254 this year.
I remember at SVR, 254 was able to do coop + 4 canned 6 stacks on their own, at least 3 with noodles. Quals 88, in a match where they were against the 2nd, 4th, and 11th seeds. That tops even 1114 performances, to the point where the OPR of 254 at SVR was 160, whereas 1114 was around 130. And third place was much lower than even 1114.
I feel like 254 could have won on Einstein if various stuff hadn't happened in quarterfinals on Carson.

Originally Posted by Bryce2471

If you look at my signature, it can be seen that I was in FLL in 2007, so I was not watching 1114 at that time, but I have seen OPR data that suggests 1114's performance this year was greater that that of 2008. I unfortunately know very little about 71 in 2002, but maybe someone with more experience can chime in about that.
Regardless, My real point was that by no means have 254 "missed their mark a bit" this year.

Originally Posted by asid61

71 used this thing called a "file card drive", which was essentially just digging file cards into the floor to get a lot of traction.
The match started, they would fly forward at high speed, slam into all three trailers/ mobile goals and inch forwards to bring them into their zone for victory.
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eKvva_ZCHw
The counter was to move even faster than them and prevent them from latching onto all three to begin with.
See : https://youtu.be/tQP4IsnIAXo?t=1277

Originally Posted by Arhowk

I'm surprised at the low rating for 33... Sure maybe it didn't go far in worlds (hit a bump coming into States that they really never recovered from) but the bot is absolutely gorgeous.

forgive me everyone. I was basing my thoughts on their cvr performance. Looking farther their silicon valley performance and worlds performances were much more impressive.