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Unread 17-03-2003, 20:11
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Re: Ok, Ok, enough already

[quote]Originally posted by Mr. Van
After reading page after page of this stuff I must say I have been quite shocked at the uproar this has caused. As a coach on a FIRST team, I feel I must point out some things:

Gracious Professionalism & "the spirit of FIRST"-
Regardless of where you stand on the issue of "agreements", I believe that we could all agree that the following do not express a sense of GP or the spirit of FIRST:

Threats of physical violence,
Suggestions that some teams may deserve help while others do not ,
Forming "blacklists" (or speaking of revenge),
Suggesting that teams who have not broken any rules be removed from the competition,
Comparing students at a robotics competition to current or former international military/political events,
Suggestions that teams who have not broken any rules are not worthy of playing with in the elimination rounds.

PLEASE. If FIRST is not entirely about winning (or maxing QPs, or trophies, etc.) then lets act like it.

-Mr. Van
Coach, Team 599
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Mr. Van,
I was not comparing "students at a robotics" competition to
military/political events.

I was using well-known examples of Agreements (Bad agreements) or inaction which affected other groups of people adversely.

"if you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it"

if you can not see the parallels, I am Sorry.

is this any different from using tennis, boxing, nascar or ENRON as example?

I do not see how citing precedents is not in the "spirit of FIRST"
or is not "GP" (maybe not PC, but what is?)

I agree Blacklists, Blackballing and Physical violence has NO place in FIRST!

With all seriousness I am not "flipping out" And I disagree that this thread is "out of control"

This is an ethics issue that can only be solved by Group Debate.

To not debate this would be a crime.

All along I have ask what are we TEACHING??

Geo.
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