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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
That's only the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more of that discussion to be had. You're attempting to steer this discussion away from real issues, towards your own manufactured ones.
This is pretty, and, yes, pedantic. There are no "revelations" here. He's not attempting to profit from anyone else's work. Nothing here calls his innocence into question, especially not for the supposed crimes he was detained for.
You're missing the forest for the trees. You're trying to hang him based on the word "invention," and implying accusations at him that don't even make sense. Nothing you're talking about is relevant. The "lip service" he's receiving is because he's become both a public figure and a symbol. He's receiving this "lip service" because of the unfortunate circumstances he was placed in, and how demonstrating the positive qualities he was embodying can be a vehicle for change.
Whether or not the clock was his "invention" is irrelevant. Trying to fact check it does not make you some form of enlightened mind, who can see beyond the cloud of media hype. It makes you someone hooked upon a trivial detail, trying to derail an important conversation upon that detail.
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How about you learn to respect an opinion? Since you are again generalizing my entire stance I will address your comments. You're making false assumptions on what I'm supposedly implying. I'm not trying to "hang" him on the word invention. I am trying to cast doubt on his persona. And how is this relevant? I don't know about your morals but I value integrity very highly and will scrutinize even the most one-sided arguments if there is any question of integrity here. Call it pedantic, pretty, or frankly whatever you may but honesty and integrity are important even for a 14-year old. If the unfortunate case of Ahmed was presented in exactly the same way minus this "minor" detail at the end, than there would be absolutely no question of the qualities he embodies. You are so hung up on the most obvious and self-explanatory part of this debate that you simply fail to see how anything else is relevant. Yes. He was unjustly cuffed and interrogated and dehumanized due to what seems like a largely racially motivated reason. But how, pray tell, are you going to keep this discussion "relevant" for long when the only thing you have to contribute is your stale old argument that "Everything you guys say is irrelevant unless you say that he was falsely dehumanized and that this was racially motivated and we should encourage all the others victimized ".
We get that Please grow out of that and understand where my point of view is situated. I and others that value scientific integrity have reason to be skeptical (note I'm leaving this at skepticism and nothing more, you can imagine whatever you think I'm implying) of his character and the "positive qualities he embodies". Don't get me wrong here. This does
not change anything about the movement he stands for. That still stands strong. I will encouraging curiosity, intellectualism, and STEM experimentation but I will definitely not encourage dishonesty.
I will summarize. I've agreed with you this entire time with your case of encouragement for all people for are victimized like this. You've somehow misconstrued my other point that I'm skeptical of Ahmed's character as evidence that I'm missing the underlying point. While I do make the case for this as well, you must learn to respect this opinion since integrity relates greatly to what Ahmed the student who was victimized is portrayed.