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Re: G28 + G11 seems broken

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Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik View Post
Anyways, I feel like it leaves too much guess work for the referees, when you could cover it by adding a line to the match flow rule about impeding access to the tower in the last 20. But the GDC has been opposed to overly specific wordings recently, so they may in fact leave it as is and go with the intent-heavy ruling of G11.
I understand the concern but don't think it's such a problem, especially since situations like this have cropped up in lots of recent games.

In 2013, for example, according to the equivalent rules it would not be legal to push a robot that was over the height limit out of their defensive zone to force them to incur a penalty. However, I saw several instances where that precise thing happened because there was no way to proceed down-field without doing so, and not once was the pushing robot called for forcing the opponent to take a penalty. Similarly, nudging an opposing robot into your pyramid in an attempt to get in position to climb was never called a foul, either.

There are other examples from other years, all along a similar line. I think a good way to parse it is to just apply G11 recursively - forcing an opponent to take a penalty is a violation of G11, but then so is forcing an opponent to force you to take a penalty in the course of valid gameplay. I doubt they'll change the wording of the rule, given that it hasn't been a problem in the past.
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