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Originally Posted by SoccerTaco
Hail Fellow. I greet thee!
While I definitely do not expect to see many teams do a 2 boulder auto - it will be extremely hard in 15 seconds - I also don't think it is quite as impossible as you make it out to be to get a boulder off the midline without obtaining a foul. Consider this scenario which I do believe is all perfectly legal.
Robot is placed on the field at the back edge of the auto zone, ~12 inches from the midline, preloaded with 1 boulder.
Auto starts.
Robot sets their boulder down in the auto zone, so they no longer control any boulders.
Robot lowers a roller arm intake mechanism toward midline. The team strategically placed their robot on the field so that the intake will contact the midline boulder without crossing the midline.
In this scenario, the robot has not driven one inch, and they have a boulder off the midline. The rest is obvious - cross defense, shoot, return to auto, collect the boulder that was set down, cross defense a second time, shoot.
I'm not saying this is easy!! But that is mostly because of the time limit, not because of the midline foul risk.
Godspeed on your quest.
- Steve
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You too Steve,
Now, I envisioned a much different path and method "when I mistakenly thought that circular path through the Secret Passageway was possible and legal" (MY OPINION ONLY UNTIL THERE IS A Q&A & AN UPDATE FROM FIRST/GDC)....Straight through shoot high / or Spybot corner shoot high On the second pass (to get Boulder 2), down the Secret Passageway to the end (half way out into the Neutral Zone-Turn 90 degrees right, drive forward (Parallel to the 6 balls and that Midline), extend out left side about 12" in front of bumper with a plucker that hits the top right 1/3 of the hemisphere of the ball (a few inches away from the Midline tape edge, and draws it to the right on a roll toward the robot path, as you drive slowly by using ball location w/ vision sensing, it rolls right in front of your robot and perfectly in front of your boulder collector into bot, 90 degree turn through the next easily traversable Defense (backing up straight if necessary before the turn), vision target location shooting to closest upper goal after reaching the Courtyard carpet to 11' away. Shoot & Score #2, how much time is left on the clock? Wanna try for 3?
15 seconds is a long time since most will be shooting high from at least 11' from the Tower to reach upper goal. (3 goal openings at 3 different angles, no hot seeking, etc.)
Though I understand now that easy ride is over since the Secret Passageway is out. G20 and proper field drawings view makes a huge difference.
The math still says to try it when you look at risk vs reward. You can foul, & make the upper shot, and still end up net positive 5 points.
Tell me I can buy a Powerball ticket tonight, lose Wednesday night by getting none of the numbers, but I still get half the money Thursday. And I never play that sucker bet & I mean ever (though I'll sit and play poker with anyone, so I'm a gambler. But, lotto isn't gambling, it is a tax on poor people regularly wishing on rainbows)....OK, until it goes over that magic # - 1.3 BILLION w/ a "B". Now that's a NET POSITIVE. (Lose a lil' vs. a chance on a BILLION PLUS-I'm buying now because that risk vs. reward just went huge). BTW, I did not play Saturday when it was $800+ Million$$$$$. Wifey had $2.00 in the office pool though, and they won $2.00....again.
Very worse case scenario: You have 1 down High Goal =10 points in the bag, you attempt 2nd, you miss really bad & go over the line, and run into a robot on the other side of the line (you may or may not have any robots over there at all by that time to hit...Who knows!?)
But, you just suffered the absolute biggest crash in all of FRC Robotics save for the "Backwards line crossing from the get go all the way across the field in Auto because a robot was placed backwards, or code really entered wrong, or motors plugged in backwards", (AND WE HAVE ALL SEEN A FEW OF THOSE OVER THE YEARS).....You still are no better off than taking only a 1 single Boulder Auto shot chance, and simply and sadly missing. Or worse, it goes in hits the chains and bounces out.
Score zero, net zero. You cross the line (foul), but make the shot 1.5 times the score net (3 times the tele value net). But, you make it no fouls and high goal you cash in 2.0 times (but that is also 2 X the tele score X 2 a huge net gain that boulder is. And that extra one in Auto is actually worth the value of (wiping out equal to receiving 2 Tech Fouls as far as Power/Damage to Tower). There are a lot of chances of incurring Tech fouls in this particular game....But the second auto shot isn't 1 of them. (Worse case-2 Regular Fouls net points wise, equal 1 Upper Auto Score).
Tell me another time in this game (FRC), that you can possibly take a large risk, possibly screw up so freaking bad, and pay for it so little? Screw up a lil' and still have a good degree of chance to get a net positive, and or possibly succeed repeatedly, and score double (6~10 matches later it all adds up to real points)....And, it still isn't worth the risk?
Then, I suggest we all start thinking about another game to play as this one is really expensive, if you don't grab the brass ring, at least when the math leans chances net positive toward you, since usually it leans waaaay the other way.
IE: 600/3000 plus chance of going to CMP the day of paying our initial reg. fees, and it all goes downhill from there competition wise (and that is 33% better now than it was just 2 yrs. ago)...But, it is so much fun and it isn't all about the robots, it is about changing lives, and accomplishing the seemingly impossible!
That last comment (about finding another game), wasn't directed toward any person/team directly, nor FIRST, but just an "in general opinion comment." (So please don't anyone take it personally).
Sorry, I'll quit selling and step off the soapbox.....I'm just trying to rally the FRC Kingdom and help make it much louder.
Build Your Champion...Rally Your Kingdom.....But, Let's All Do It Together!
Do it for David Bowie.....RIP (Dooont do doo dut dooont....Put on you red shoes and....dance the blues!)