Thread: Com wire
View Single Post
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 12-01-2016, 07:53
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,766
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Com wire

Quote:
Originally Posted by adciv View Post
The wire for FRC CAN doesn't really matter. ...It worked even without a can bus termination resistor. Really, for our distances and usage, it's robust you don't need to worry about it.
The wire and the terminations really do matter, sorry.
The twist of the wires or at least the constant spacing between wires sets the transmission line impedance. The CAN transceivers need the termination resistors to operate correctly. They help set the signalling voltage level and terminate the transmission line. Without them, the reflections at each end of the line allow errors to build up. This is an effect of the length of the line. The longer the line, the worse the effect. Also, the CAN buss should never be parallel wired. In short systems it may seem to work but, as is typical, this system will fail you when you need it the most.
The twisted wiring allows both wires to be exposed to external noise. Since the intruding noise is in phase as it passes through the wire, the twist will cause the 'in phase' noise to be cancelled at the source. Any noise that remains will also be in phase and that will be cancelled at the differential input to the transceiver chip. The twist of 2-3 turns per inch will produce a shunt capacitance of ~20-30pf per foot.
Murphy is always lurking...
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.

Last edited by Al Skierkiewicz : 12-01-2016 at 07:58.