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Re: How many CIMs in your drivetrain?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ether View Post

Here's a quick calculation using MCALC to compare

one CIM drawing 60 amps at 12 volts
vs
two CIMs each drawing 30 amps at 12 volts:

Code:
Motor Calculator  build MCALC_2014d 2/3/2014 1255pm


Select motor:
1)CIM     6)FP0673   d)FP2719  f)FP9012     g)FP9015    h)FP9013 j)MiniCIM
a)am-0912 b)am-0914  7)DensoL  8)DensoR     c)Denso0160 k)BAG    u)UserDefined
2)RS395   3)RS540    4)RS550   e)RS775-12   5)RS775-18  m)RS555  n)am-0915
r)am-2193 s)am-2235  t)RS390   v)RS545      p)am-2161&2194
w)VEX2177hi  z)VEX2177std  1


CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 12.00 volts:

@ free (no load):
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
     0.0   0.000    5310   100.0     2.7         0.0        32.4     0.0

@ stall:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   343.4   2.425       0     0.0   133.0         0.0      1596.0     0.0

@ max power:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   171.7   1.212    2655    50.0    67.8       337.1       477.1    41.4

@ max efficiency:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
    42.8   0.302    4648    87.5    18.9       147.1        80.2    64.7

Select input:
1)oz-in  7)watts_in    3)rpm    5)amps   b)rpm&amps  8)eff%
2)Nm     6)watts_out   4)rpm%   9)volts  a)rpm&ozin  m)main menu   x)exit 5


enter amps: 60

CIM FR801 001, AM802 001A @ 12.00 volts:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   151.0   1.066    2975    56.0    60.0       332.2      387.8    46.1


Select motor:
1)CIM     6)FP0673   d)FP2719  f)FP9012     g)FP9015    h)FP9013 j)MiniCIM
a)am-0912 b)am-0914  7)DensoL  8)DensoR     c)Denso0160 k)BAG    u)UserDefined
2)RS395   3)RS540    4)RS550   e)RS775-12   5)RS775-18  m)RS555  n)am-0915
r)am-2193 s)am-2235  t)RS390   v)RS545      p)am-2161&2194
w)VEX2177hi  z)VEX2177std  u


Enter the following motor specs in the order and units indicated,
separated by spaces or tabs:
volts   stall_ozin      free_rpm        stall_amps      free_amps
12       686.8           5310             266            5.4

UserDefined-> 12.0 686.8  5310 266.0  5.4 @ 12.00 volts:

@ free (no load):
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
     0.0   0.000    5310   100.0     5.4         0.0        64.8     0.0

@ stall:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   686.8   4.850       0     0.0   266.0         0.0      3192.0     0.0

@ max power:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   343.4   2.425    2655    50.0   135.7       674.2       954.2    41.4

@ max efficiency:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
    85.6   0.605    4648    87.5    37.9       294.3       160.4    64.7

Select input:
1)oz-in  7)watts_in    3)rpm    5)amps   b)rpm&amps  8)eff%
2)Nm     6)watts_out   4)rpm%   9)volts  a)rpm&ozin  m)main menu   x)exit 5


enter amps: 60

UserDefined-> 12.0 686.8  5310 266.0  5.4 @ 12.00 volts:
   oz-in      Nm     rpm    rpm%    amps   watts out  watts heat    eff%
   143.9   1.016    4197    79.0    60.0       446.6       273.4    62.0


one CIM drawing 60 amps at 12 volts:
332 watts output mechanical power
388 watts waste heat

two CIMs each drawing 30 amps at 12 volts:
447 watts output mechanical power
273 watts waste heat


Wouldnt a 1/4 hp motor and a 1/2 hp motor consume the same amount of power if the continuous load only required 1/8 hp. Amperage being based on load.

I know that 2 cims will be capable of more torque, I'm just wondering how noticeable it will be from the perspective of the driver.