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Originally Posted by gblake

I would add that we should also be participating in alternatives that cost less per student. If there are students missing out because of costs, and if lower cost methods (that might or might not be a little less sexy, but are still very effective) of reaching those students exist, ...

Wow , I'm sure some people feel that those are fightin' words.

Seriously though, are you using success in the on-field part of a team's total activities/purpose to measure "caliber"? There is a spectrum of opinions about that subject, and many folks feel that on-the-field-results isn't the right metric to use. I think the jury is still out on whether FRC teams in any part of the country are lagging, leading, or cooperating so hard they don't care, when compared to Michigan's many fine teams.

Blake

Michigan has three hall of fame teams; the way things shake out in Virginia greatly hinders the chances of getting 1 any time soon.