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Originally Posted by TJP123
I don't have enough vacation time for them to start allowing video replay.
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Neither do I ..but sometimes delay is good when you need to repair the bot.
We had an hour to do a massive major repair to our shooter shaft in eliminations it was awesome to have extra time...but....
In regards to not credited RP....
It would not have to be during matches just in between as time allows before end of the day. Not every match should be reviewed just those that affect extra ranking points (Captures/Breaches) of tree or more teams. Since RP are the highest order sort they should
be accurate. A couple minutes for an official to review sometime during the day does not seem to be a burden and can change the rank of multiple teams.
I could only see a handful of matches that would need "by end of day 1 video review" by a lone official
This would mainly be a day 1 thing to tidy up the RP's which this year are huge and mainly on breaches since those are human scored.
I can see this becoming and issue in upcoming weeks a team request for video review on RP no-calls would make sense.
That would be better than "wasting time" challenging during a match and keep matches flowing. As of now teams may complain during the match and the net result is wasted time and really no change will occur anyhow as its a human judgement call. No ref on the field is going to say "yea I missed that".
This could be handled during the day with a simple video review with visual evidence and perhaps the "missing" RP added back in thus corrected and this offline adjustment would speed up match cycle times.
I'm just putting a spotlight on this because its the end of week 1 and most of FRC has many games to play in next five weeks. Better to come up with a solution now than have this become an issue down the road and possibly even in the Championships.
Remember a single not-scored RP is at least a
3-5 rank swing down..for
three or more teams at end of day 1. That's a lot to make up with 2 games left day 2. It can make the difference on a multiple teams even being selected and certainly affects who the captains are.
Every outer works has ten possible 5-point scoring plays (40 points to earn a RP) so upon "video review" each missed valid crossing credit should be added to the initial human scoring and then determined if it met the 40 point breach threshold by adding in those missed crosses , then that RP should be adjusted for all three teams involved by end of day 1. So we have a proper ranking for all teams.
If teams have to repeatedly "waste time " by crossing a lighted defense four or six times to get credit they should be compensated for that as there is only 2:30 in the game and having to do multiple crossings of same defense just to get the lights to go out wastes time the team could be moving on to other scoring or defensive possibilities.
I see no down side to a handful of reviews when it is determined ahead of time to convincingly lead to a missed earned RP issue especially on the last defense to be destroyed.
Trying to help
all teams with this spotlighting of an issue from week 1 and to improve game flow as well. Hope this helps everyone or at least brings the issue to the minds of refs as we go forward. I see my suggestion as being doable, efficient and improves ranking accuracy.
The very fact we beat the #1 alliance in two straight QF games decisively as #8 (first time I recall that ever happening since I've been if FRC) shows how initial ranks were skewed down "by mistake" for us and several others (and skewed up for the rest).
In a way its not fair for any elimination alliance selector to select based on RP that may not indicate actual strength of teams..
Teams should not be told its "too late" to change the RP score..we were not the only ones lodging a challenge. Happened twice for us.
I know FRC officials read my posts here so please consider this change for improving flows in matches by avoiding on field "complaints/challenges" and by getting teams the RP's they earned in game play.
Kids should be taught as part of FRC that errors can get corrected with indisputable evidence.