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Originally Posted by BBray_T1296
You've gotten G21 flipped around. If the RED robot is in the BLUE passageway, they may not contact a BLUE robot.
If you are in your own passageway, you cannot draw a foul in that way
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Nope this is the way I interpret it. You misunderstand I believe.
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Originally Posted by Rangel(kf7fdb)
Can be a pretty effective defense but I don't really see it as a chokehold. Especially since the defending robot has to drive in an arc around the secret passage while the red robot could turn 45 degrees from where it is at now and simply drive forward or back depending on position of the defending robot. Red robots could also work together to keep the defense on one side of the arc. I know at Arizona North, 2122 was pushing robots trying to block team 125's vision.
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A 2v1 is still good for you, your defender (the worst robot) is taking up the time of their two best robots. And yes, ultimately it comes down to defender driving skill. I am quite certain that a team is capable of pulling this off.
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Originally Posted by IronicDeadBird
If you have a robot herd a boulder out of the secret passage and in running your plan push that boulder back into their secret passage I believe that is a foul.
The current meta doesn't involve teams diving into the secret passage for balls when the human player can bowl them into the neutral.
So yeah the strategy would kinda work but it isn't a choke hold. And as stated before you got G21 flipped around. If you ran this you would actually pull fouls because a robot has the right of way in their own secret passage in regards to an opposing robot.
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No, I have G21, correct, the BLUE robot defending the RED robot in the RED secret passage may not contacts the RED robot while touching the carpet of the RED secret passageway.
The robot sits there and blocks all the bowls. Pretty simple solution to that.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Kirch
So you're suggesting there are drivers skilled enough to pin a robot in a corner for ~15 seconds and they wouldn't initiate a pin during that 15 seconds else the would be the ones required to disengage per G22. Oh and of course, cross a defense and challenge the tower in the last 5 seconds, hoping the other driver cant do the same. It's not going to happen, this strategy is mutually assured destruction.
This works in 1 situation. You're winning by less than 25 points. You haven't weakened the tower. Your opponent has weakened the tower. Your opponent doesn't have enough hanging capable robots to take the lead even without a capture.
If you manage to get in that one insanely specific and unlikely place where you as the weaker alliance have a lead but have worse boulder score, go for it
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To each his own opinon, but 3rd robot of #1 seed will almost definitely be slower than #1/2 of a lower seeded alliance. I would put my confidence in them. I'm also not even sure if it is a "pin"
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Originally Posted by gp2013
I agree. While it makes sense on paper, having had my team's alliance run this defence at GTR-E, it is a larger area to protect than you think and you leave yourself open to collect fouls everytime your wheel is touching the carpet of the secret passage. Team 5596 was an excellent defender but a fast, powerful robot can easily push through one side while you are defending the other. If you try cutting the diagonal you will draw fouls. It is too open to referee interpretation to be worth it.
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5596 was driving in the RED secret passageway, as you stated. There are drivers that are able to not drive in the secret passageway.
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Originally Posted by Kevin Leonard
So to me this is just a smart way to defend a robot that cycled back into their own secret passage. I don't see this as a chokehold, but just a smart way to run a defensive robot.
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Correct, in most cases this is just a smart play. The "chokehold" is if the defender is very capable
