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Re: Zone versus man-to-robot refereeing styles

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Originally Posted by evanperryg View Post
From what I've seen, especially this season, the refs spend almost as much time looking at those panels as they do watching the match. With a game this complicated, I'm sure those tablets aren't the most user-friendly thing around, and based on the FMS issues I've seen, I'd assume they're very, very laggy. Maybe some improvements to the FMS is really all that's needed. With the amount of training FRC refs get, the refs themselves can't be the only issue.
I do greatly hope that you know what happens when you assume. (Note that I don't assume that you know...)

Trust me, the lag was 10x worse in 2014. Lag this year is maybe 1 second for a defense crossing, less for most other things. Probably the vast majority of problems are when something happens and one or more tablets drop out. (3 field faults I've seen first-hand--of 4--were one or more tablets throwing a hissy fit.) Again, this is something that if you don't have experience, you're better off saying that you don't, because then folks know just how much salt is needed. For most refs, it's a quick look to make sure they hit the right button, then hit the right button and be looking at the field.

However, you're right about the refs not being the only issue. There's some defenses that are just there to be hard to see past...

Also, Caleb, this is something that would take some time to go into, and I'm not entirely sure I'm supposed to do that at this point in time. Suffice it to say that the refs operate two to a zone, but it's a floating zone based on what's going on for at least a couple of refs (as in, refs can flex). Focus: POINTS. Not fouls, POINTS. You want us to focus on fouls, beg the GDC to go back to games using end-of-match status as the score and bring back scorekeepers.

The fact that you're trying to change a system that you admit to knowing very little about means that people who DO know the system--and know it well--will be all over you about how you don't know the system. Note that I'm trying to help you understand the system a little bit. But I do think that you should look at the system first. Ask your local offseason--they're more lenient on who can ref than the regionals are, at least sometimes. Maybe ask the head ref at your next event if you can shadow one ref or another for a couple of matches--not sure if they'd allow that, but it might be worth a shot.

And, like Donut, I've been pulled in late at events. For one, I was the #7 ref filling in for someone who was in the ER (and got called in at literally the last possible minute). For another, I was #6--we needed 7, and couldn't find anybody. (7 is for a fresh ref every few matches so refs can take a break.) BTW, one of those refs is the head ref, who has to keep an eye on the whole field as best he can, and doesn't get much of a break. Sure wish we had an extensive ref network out here...
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