Sorry, I should have used team numbers to begin with. My comment was mostly in reference to 5855's defense during eliminations. An example of what I'm talking about was in QF3-2, when 5855 repeatedly rode up on 2498's bumpers and made contact within their frame perimeter with their tower/shooter, which seems to me like it could be a repeated G24 violation.
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If you have a high mounted bumper, and it rides up on a robot with a low mounted robot, then I think it takes a much more deliberate act to warrant a G24 - like trying to continue into/over the robot vs. backing out. Also, at that point it is likely that part of their robot is in contact with your robot too. So at worst, you have offsetting penalties.
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The wording of the rule mentions deliberate or damaging content within the frame perimeter, nothing about continuing into/over the robot, but I agree that the current wording is not the best. My biggest problem is that you can never really know what is "deliberate," or what the drive team is trying to do. I disagree with what you said about offsetting penalties, though, but again because of what is deliberate. You cannot make deliberate contact within the frame perimeter of another robot if they drove up onto you, for example, while you were trying to score a high goal from the batter.
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Originally Posted by rich2202
In prior years, the penalty was any contact, not just deliberate/damage causing. I personally believe in the "any contact" rule. Ripped wires can take a long time to replace. If you are going to play defense, then make sure everything of yours is inside the frame perimeter.
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Agreed! I like good, legal defense, and sturdy robots that can get around it. I think the current wording of the rules leaves too much up to discretion.