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Re: Making STEM a better place for women

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Originally Posted by Katie_UPS View Post
The victim should never ever feel ashamed. I know you are not implying that in any scenario, the person receiving unwanted advances should feel like that have done something wrong.

If A made B uncomfortable, its completely acceptable for A to feel shame. It's a great tool for learning when one did something not-good and should avoid doing that in the future.
Perhaps I should be more clear, as you seem to cherry pick my wording.
The responsible person should be held accountable to their actions proportionally. when Amanda posted, she lumped every uncomfortable interaction with the term "seriously disturbing." When I pointed out that shaming a boy who is not good with girls as "seriously disturbing" is a poor exercise of judgement, it seems you took it as no-one should feel shame, period. That is not what I intended.
In case you didn't see my previous post, I had specifically laid out that Sperkowski and I both say that people should be accountable. We also are pointing to the trend of people within this thread equivocating social awkwardness to harassment.

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Why are we down-grading creepy behavior to "awkwardness." The original anecdote was "I watched one of my (female) students get sufficiently creeped out by a (male) student's behavior towards her that she was physically hiding from him at the competition."
We did not. Other people (with your presumptive point of view) did this merely a few posts in. How many times must I point this out?

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This isn't difficult. If a student is feeling harassed, they should have every right to NOT be harassed and the awkward flirting should stop.
Correct. We have been saying that.

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A lot of posters who are getting defensive make me think that they maybe, at one point in time, participated in "creepy" behavior. Insisting that the behavior is question is not "creepy" but instead "awkward" or "misguided," is not helping anyone.
This is a personal attack. Please don't try to discredit me by implying that I am guilty of being a creep.
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