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You all are correct. 1529 never physically extended in the frame perimeter, and that was how I worded my post. I won't correct my OP, but I'll clarify here.

To give a small disclaimer: no, I am not associated with any of the teams at the moment in my sig, including 1529, 1501, and 461. This was all my opinion.

Yes, Taylor is correct. I was on the field, queuing. I had a direct look at how 1501's threads came off. I don't have any proof except for Taylor's words, a green sharpie marker, and a highlighter, so.... take that as you will.

I had thought initially that 1529 had popped the tracks off by contacting the tracks when 1501's and 1529's drivebases aligned fairly closely. 1501 had a small clearance between the frame perimeter planes (bumpers) and tracks, so touching the tracks would mean technically passing the frame perimeter. 1529 was able to do this due to how low the bumpers were, and did contact the tracks several times while 1501 was immobilized. I was surprised to see no red card called. If anything, it was an accident.

What happened at Perry is relevant here, since I brought it up.... 1501 had played defense against 1024, popped one of their tanks with a corner of a bumper, and red carded their alliance that match. The score showed that 1501 would have won if not for that fault. If anything, it was an accident.

See how similar the two circumstances are? I'm just saying I know quite a few people on 1501 were frustrated at this. The refs were fantastic with their jobs, and the end of the day, it's the final call. I can't speak for 1501 as a whole, but I'm okay with that.

That was the meaning I had meant to convey. No attacks meant to be made.