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Originally Posted by BrennanB
Okay so i've kind of avoided these discussions about tipping, but like there is something that everyone who is talking about this is missing, and I feel like I have to bring this up.
Like this to me is the same as people complaining about tech fouls in 2014. Tipping fouls are super necessary in this game. In 2014 there needed to be a aggressively penalizing ball possession since the opponents literally couldn't score if you did that. Yet people whined and complained about the fouls and "wanted the foul penalty to be reduced" without spending two seconds to think about the problem in its entirety.
Also tipping fouls have nothing to do with who is playing defense on who.
This year it's really hard to win with only 2 robots mobile at the end of the match (you lose at least a 30 point swing). Refs need to be calling these tips aggressively, since it can completely ruin an alliances chances for winning. Lets be honest no robot is "designed to be tippy" and it's not like these tips are common so robots are "purposefully" trying to be tipped to win the match.
Anyone who is complaining about tipping cards as too agressive this year to me is just looking at this whole issue from a hugely biased perspective. These people are just blatantly ignorant of the inherent game design challenges that just need to be addressed by referees.
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I don't think this is a fair comparison to 2014 ball possession penalties.
In 2014, just like in every year, there were enforcement problems of ambiguous rules. Of course there were people who were upset with this or that call, but individual calls were not the real problem in many people's minds. The larger problem in 2014 was that a single tech foul was worth more points than the average robot was contributing in the whole match, and the ambiguous wording of some rules made it far too easy to get these ridiculously large fouls. There were solutions to some of these problems that could have been addressed by the GDC, but the GDC chose not to implement them.
This year, the tipping rule as it is written is nearly perfect in my opinion, and most people don't seem to be advocating rewriting this rule. Some people just seem to have issues with inconsistent enforcement, just like in every other year.