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Originally Posted by Madison
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Can we please avoid rehashing a debate that's happened here many times previously and focus the discussion on the original questions?
If you feel strongly about discussing effective methods for promoting STEM careers to girls and young women, please search and revisit an existing discussion (e.g., http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=147043) |
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Originally Posted by Madison
This is bizarrely passive aggressive and not at all helpful.
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welp
I'm not the police but if the impression Pauline got from the thread was that this thread did a disservice to the community because of some implications, it should probably be discussed?
I guess she could go to the thread that you linked; it just so happens that it was one that was filled with some impressive posts like this one on why we should be ok with gender-based harassment at events
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Originally Posted by Sperkowsky
Lets keep in mind that this is natural.
There are quite a few socially awkward male and females in robotics so these situations can get worse. And, the lack of females with the interest can extenuate the situation but regardless this is life.
I am not advocating for creepy behavior but normal flirting and tries at a relationship with other members or members from other teams are to be expected.
We all are high school students after all.
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and this shiner of why thinking this behavior is terrible and shouldn't exist is "unrealistic"
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Originally Posted by Philip Arola
Yes, life sucks. That's been plain to me for years. As a mentor, you acknowledge that you don't want the students' life to suck. Great. I don't know if this is an uncharacteristically blunt post of yours, but it seems that you're far too unrealistic with what you want life to be like. There are lots of things that are bad that girls, indeed, all teenagers, even all people have to deal with. Even if change is what you are working towards, it is shortsighted and irresponsible to not teach them how to deal with it in the meantime.
Culture change? This statement implies that FIRST (and even more unrealistically, STEM) is monolithic. Not only is this a fundamental untruth at a team level, but on a geographic level. This is a cop-out, a meaningless phrase.
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but I mean, whatever. I guess that was an acceptable level of discourse for Chief Delphi, but not this tangent. Gazing into the crystal ball of the Chief Delphi Moderating Corps would probably render me blind and mute.
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I believe Pauline's concerned with this solicitation of information potentially being weaponized into an objectifying statistic. It's not a position I agree with, but I see where it's coming from. On 422 our senior leadership historically identifies around 1/3 female, 2/3 male. As more people have joined the team, I expect throughout leadership next year we'd be at 50/50. It's not consciously based on how the members of the team identify their sex or gender, but the underclassmen girls are pretty much the only reason we executed a successful program this year.