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Originally Posted by Siri
This ref's opinion*: I'm good with it provided the FTA side is on board there are clear bounds to it. Official video only, set situations each year that can be appealed, published mechanisms for doing so, teams cannot mandate reviews of judgment calls (they can question box it and/or refs can decide look ourselves). Maybe we need to cap the challenges per team; I'd be okay experimenting with either plus a blue box warning of possible changes mid-season. It also needs to be piloted more, not because I think I'll change my mind but because there are far too many nuances, procedures, and edge cases left to work out. We do not want to be fumbling over something like this in Week 1 on top of everything else when it could've been honed in off-season. Trust me, you don't want us to be either.
*I feel I can speak with some credibility on both how difficult this is and how much it can suck, but that does make me not a "pure" referee. I am a veteran ref and off-season head ref but also a veteran coach and have been burned by reviewable missed calls before. This includes a district champs playoff loss, though without lingering bitterness (we made Einstein that year). Consume with however much salt you want.
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No salt needed, I'm good
Side no review: Too hard, no tech, refs are volunteers, match play times, adds too much to the competition, we all do the best we can
Side review: Tech isn't that hard, less than 1/12 of a Dean speech to the schedule, we all do the best we can.
As a VEX event producer I've said these words more often than I can count. "The referees rule is final. This is a robot competition that has referees watching each second. The referees rule, and their ruling is final. But in the event they are wrong, and that is a possibility, pull me aside and we will talk it over, as long as you want, but the last words out of my mouth will be 'the referees rule is final'.
But like Siri, I've been on the wrong side of calls and have blown calls DRAT YOU CELL PHONE VIDEO !!!
But this thread is on possibilities. Can we do it, can it work, can it be a positive method, how do we make it work?
Most of the thread has posts of "No", "Umm no", "Don't want to" "Will kill refs" "Will end civilization as we know it" (and worse)
So again, the fall is busy with off season as we build interest, try it out.
As the lone science guy in this thread
hard data beats feelings every day.
Siri asked for some boundary conditions (FTA's, process, etc) and I think thats a key thing. But FIRST isn't going to even test fly without some data points. Lets get the data points. And if the data points are "will end civilization as we know it" then we can close this off.