[Ken Leung]

Obviously neither of the sides are going to change the other's side's mind. So, if you please just agree to disagree, and continue the conversation else where.

There is no room in this board for bashing of each other, and calling people names, which by the way, was very uncalled for.

If you don't wish understand other's views, that is fine as long as you don't go all out and tell them they are wrong and that they have to believe something else.

Let us know your opinion, back it up with reasons and evidence, then let the other side do the same thing, then take your time to read all the threads, spend time understanding the other's point of view, and have a meaningful discussion instead of all these yelling at each other. That is, afterall, the reason why we come to these board, no?

I don't believe this thread should be deleted neither, because a lot of post have been well thought, and demonstrate a lot of good arguments. If you fail to see that, just don't visit this thread again. Mean while, others are going to come back in here, and learn a little about themselves and others as well.

This thread can be turned into a very interesting discussion, if you want it to. But obviously that's not what you want, so rather than making all these argument worst, I am just going to say again, "Agree to disagree", and you can yell at each other by e-mail.