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Hopefully we can get the GDC thinking a little more into these details!
The punishment (a foul for each 5s) is pretty light for the key... perhaps by design. But the added dimension of what happens if a defender is "stuck" (intentionally, or not) by a scoring robot is unclear... Some past safe zones have been clear that intention or being "trapped" in a penalized position is irrelevant, which further deters infractions. The blue box after C08 makes it sound like ANY type of counter-pin in a key could be warrant for C08... which has a violation of a FOUL or a Yellow Card if "egregious or repeated", which could be particularly subjective in this case.
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C08. Don’t expect to gain by doing others harm. Strategies aimed solely at forcing the opposing ALLIANCE to violate a rule are not in the spirit of FIRST Robotics Competition and not allowed. Rule violations forced in this manner will not result in an assignment of a penalty to the targeted ALLIANCE.
Violation: FOUL. If egregious or repeated, YELLOW CARD.
C08 does not apply for strategies consistent with standard gameplay, e.g. contacting an opponent while in your RETRIEVAL ZONE to retrieve GAME PIECES. C08 requires an intentional act with limited or no opportunity for the TEAM being acted on to avoid the penalty, e.g. pinning an opponent in your KEY such that they cannot help but violate G17.
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Originally Posted by Boltman
The key is not a "safe zone" as such the best you can hope for is a >5sec "no parking zone"... they will get a foul . The ref with their arm will start a countdown each second they are in your key (to warn the driver visually) . That defender can exit the key before 5 sec and then enter the key again or hit you while you are shooting so don't expect protection at all... apart from the 5 second countdown for them to leave the key. Once they leave they certainly can re-enter for another up to 5 sec...rinse repeat.
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Do you KNOW that this is how refs are going to be instructed to call G17's or is this conjecture?
Given that a defender may often try to go into the key, there may often be a pin beginning (and a counter-pin could ensue where the offensive robot or a partner begins to pin the defender). This could make it extremely unclear if the ref is doing the "tomahawk countdown" for a G17 (key) or G11 (pin)... and who the countdown is being made on.