[westfalia]

I do get a feeling that everyone in this discussion is on the build crew on whatever team that they are on- but I may be wrong about that. But my opinion is plain and simple in the matter:

i think everyone's got the idea but i can tell you this: i saw both sides of the matter. I was spoonfed and handed a robot for two years... and the next two, i built it myself (with mentor help, of course). which two years made me want to get into engineering? that's quite obvious!