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Unread 20-04-2004, 00:10
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Wink Re: 469 Entanglement / Bad Refereeing on Galileo

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Originally Posted by Paul Copioli
The biggest problem I see is that each year the refs are told to "really enforce" certain rules. Normally these rules deal with human interaction. Last year the refs were really harping on the human player not going into certain places, not dropping the bins on their side, etc. I thought it was a bit too much focus on something that didn't influence the game (or safety) so much, except for HPs jumping over the rail.
This is an example of the systemic nature of the problem. Only some rules are really rules, and finding out which rules can be broken without consquence is a great way to win the competition (as in 2002 with tethers and this year with tipping and entanglement). Either enforce the rule or drop the rule altogether. Anything else leads to problems like this.

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Originally Posted by Paul Copioli
Pushing, bumping, and ramming will happen. The repeated ramming that is going un-penalized is getting a bit absurd. Teams are playing within the rules actually given to them (since the written words are vague, at best. Read "INTENTIONAL" - what a joke). I am a big fan for defense, but not battlebots. I guarantee that if a team gets penalized (I mean points actually deducted) for ramming they will not do it again. How many times did it take you losing by 5 points to tell your driver to stay at least 6 inches away from the corral?
I agree - a little bit of enforcement could go a long way, but since FIRST doesn't want to offend anybody, they end up letting bullies, rule-benders, and outright cheaters have their way.

Dittos on 1-4. I am not advocating having all robots to leave each other alone. I am advocating enforcing the rules in a consistent manner.

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-Paul
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