[kane]

Originally Posted by UlTiMaTeP

Update: these pictures are from July 2003, according to multiple news organizations...



Ryan and I both happen to live about 5 miles from where many of the 9/11 terrorists lived during their planning stages. The HS Ryan and I go to, had a parent who owned a small flight school. She trained a few of the terrorists, not on 737's but on small jet planes. They came over as pilots from the "United Arab Emirates". She had a funny feeling about them, and refused to go up with them, and made the other instructors go. They found out later that the U.A.E. had a total of 1 plane. After she saw the faces of the hijackers, she called the FBI at once and had told them everything that happened. (I did go off on a bunny trail, but the reason I did was it was quite shocking to find out you were so close you could have bumped into these men at the store) Who knows what these planes were being used for, or going to be used for?

not sure what your getting at with that story, yeah terroists are good (at not being detected), at least the ones that are successful, but that doesn't mean that every UAE pilot is going to fly a plane into a building. I don't know about the UAE having only one plane its one of the richest countries in the world, but you could be right, i have no facts so i can't really say. Again though theres no reason to be suspicious of an arab person, there are a billion or so arabs or people that look arab, 20 committed the hijacking. To answer your question they wouldn't be used most likely, if you wanted to use something you wouldn't burry it.

How do you know they were not?

first gulf war how many of them were up there defending their city when we were bombing the crap out of it. You can say the anti aircraft fire was too heavy but a mig has a much better chance of shooting down a plane then a SAM or AA gun (or were they using AAA guns i don't really remember). I belive that russia never bothered to train iraq how to fly at night, so not many people knew how to fly with just the instruments.

What you said was complete reverse logic. Planes have a stronger connection to the effect not the cause. Hence the reason I would say your plane has a better connection to drugs, than money. Money can do a lot of things. Planes have a few tasks, transporting things, and scouting.

they can't do any of those things full of sand, plus its not like they were a threat, they were burried.

A better question would be, What do you think the planes were used for? An Air Force is a military unit. I'm not even sure if treaties allowed Iraq to build an Air Force. I don’t know the reason you hide your money, but I’m guessing it is so people don’t try to steal it. These planes were not hidden because people were trying to steal them. It’s a bit like hiding a knife away from a child, you don’t want them to take it, and possibly hurt themselves. These planes were hidden because obviously whoever hid them felt like they illegal. You are on the right track, but hiding money isn't a fair comparison to hiding a plane. Hiding drugs is more along the lines of hiding a plane. The reason you are hiding the drugs is because they are illegal. The same goes for these fighters, they were illegal. You never hid your money because it was an illegal item.

I belive they were allowed to have a defense, just no long range missles or chemical, nuclear, ect, i don't recall anything about not having an air force, but i do know that there was a no fly zone on 2 sides of iraq

When they found this cute little piece of metal sticking up out from the sand, did they say, 'bah just a little debris' No they dug it up, and found it was not just any piece of metal, it was a tail from a fighter jet. Now according to your theories and beliefs kane. We should have just stopped there. Yet when we dug to the left and right and front and back of the plane, what do you think we found then?

"a reported 30 to 40 planes" --- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld

I'm sure Ryan is not afraid of the Iraqi Air Force launching an offensive attack but what does concern us, is what were these planes used for? Do you think they were using them to drop relief aid in desperate times? Honestly what is a fighter good for? This raises my concern when I see items like this buried in the ground. What else is buried with it? Where there is smoke there is also fire. So if we see(found) the smoke it is only a matter of time till we find the fire.

Well the first statement isn't what i ment, just because theres planes doesn't mean there are bombs, and just because there are bombs doesn't mean their nuclear.

What if they were just kept as souviners, maybe the govt was going to sell them, i mean you can find a mig on ebay every now and then, those are just as plausabe as they were going to use it to bomb someone.