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Originally Posted by SilverStar
Why do so many discussions turn into MS-bashing threads?
**shudders back** 
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i agree. But if you do bash, at least get your facts straight. MSDN is Microsoft Developer's Network. It is not a development environment unless you are using a very loose sense of the word environment, like environment as in the stuff that is around you. MSDN is pretty cool, in fact. As much as i dont like MS's overuse of proprietary stuff, MSDN makes Windows development so much easier. It provides access to an excellent database of Windows programming information and for some subscriptions the subscriber can download and use ANY Microsoft software. (maybe all subscriptions, im not sure)