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Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil
Alright, first off I don't appreciate being called the devil's advocate, if you want to call me out, just do it honarably and use my name.
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Excuse me, I believe you referred to yourself as such a few pages of posts ago. Hence the reason I used that term.
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Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil
I have a drivers license. Does that mean I need it? No, I've never been pulled over by a police officer and been required to show it. That doesn't nesecarilly [sic] mean that I will never need and and be forced to show and abide by it.
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I never claimed anything of the sort. Nor did I make any claim that I would not live up to it should I be called up to do so. However, in this day and age, the primary purpose of that card is to make yourself as a male citizen of the United States eligible to vote and receive financial aid. Period.
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Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil
I don't see how you can sign a piece of paper and think you don't have to follow the obligations set forth in it. Do you people have no personal pride?
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I have plenty, thanks. As said above, I have not made any claim that I would not follow up on my obligations, as slim as the odds are of the draft actually being reinstated (especially since the last report the Army gave to the press was that there were enough volunteering right now to not require one in the foreseeable future).
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Originally Posted by soezgg
Anyway, when not enough people join, and we need millions more to join, the Government says 'hey your living in my $@#$@#$@#$@# country, under my protection, we beat the $@#$@#$@#$@# brits to make you live free, now GO FIGHT!!' (sounds kind of like my dad when I lived under 'his house his rules' right?)
Anyway, that is why we have a draft. And if you dont like it, say 'screw this I'm moving to canada', like i have heard many young idealistic political activist cowards say.
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You counter your own earlier arguments here. We haven't had that position, as you've said before, where we have needed a draft, in over 20 years. I also consider myself somewhat of a "young idealistic political activist," however I don't consider "moving to Canada" to be the solution. Activism requires participation in that which one wishes to change. Yes, I'm probably too liberal for my own good. So be it. It's just as American as our far-religious right current government.
I don't believe that the Draft has a common real purpose these days, although I understand its importance in previous generations. As I also said earlier, you will note that should there continue to be a draft, I do support the inclusion of women in it, as it should not be exclusionary.
Our political system allows for dissent. I don't believe in our current war, which our government brought us into through deceit. Period. I also lack any trust in a government leading us into conflicts in general who dodged it themselves when they were eligible earlier... what happened to the long ago days when the leadership led their country themselves. Oh wait, our government is so far removed from the common troops, that they don't particularly care. Our president has daughters, not sons, so he has nothing to worry about.
That got a bit off-topic very quickly, and I apologize in advance. But wrapping oneself in the flag-waving patriotic spirit and claiming we need to be the global police force and remove all that oppose us is not the entirity of this nation's opinion. Please remember that dissent is patriotic too.