I too am bothered by these points, and feel I must co-defend the devil with my young friend. Luckily, I don't think this thread can really go off-topic, considering the way Elgin baited us all.
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1. capital punnishment is legal in America
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Yes. It is. While that's not what Tristan was talking about in any way (don't group us together in opinion by the way; they're different), it should still be noted that most states have progressed culturally and socially enough to outlaw this. Another time, perhaps.
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2. Saddam raped murdered thousands of his own people
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I highly doubt Saddam raped, murdered, or "raped murdered" (heh heh)
thousands of his own people. His subordinates attacked the Shi'ites and the Kurds, who were included in his country not by his choice, and rude as it may seem, they were not his people. A nation is supposed to be formed on the basis of cultural values that are similar, and Iraq certainly wasn't an example of this. Neither is Canada for that matter, but Quebec seperatism is a great microcosm for that phenomenon.
Moreover, this genocide was catalyzed by the Gulf War and Western policy, which directly and indirectly killed more of his people than Saddam did anyway. Now it's absolutely true that political enemies were killed and tortured without hesitation under the Ba'ath party in
huge numbers, but we should ask ourselves a question, being patriotic Americans: would we care about those people if there wasn't mad cheddah involved?
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Yup, public Enemy #1. That he is. But then again, so is Bush in all those countries with less-important people. </sarcasm>
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4. putting a president and terrorist in a same category is sickning
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Good, now which criterion does Bush not fit? As was said earlier, perspective is everything. I'd love to know the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. I wonder if Pervez Musharraf would be a terrorist if he didn't support the USA...
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5. don't mess with the secret service. nothing is a joke to them (one of my HS teachers could tell you a story about it)
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My brother is silly. I'm petrified of D'Agustino.
Still, another good excercise in definitions is to define
patriot (hint: not the movie, and not the missile). That word is so often misused in the States that the malapropism has filtered into Canadian politics. It bugs me. Michael Moore is a patriot, even though he has dissenting views relative to his president, who by the way is not automatically a patriot. The fact that he wants to improve and loves his country makes him a patriot. Whether he's right or wrong is a completely different issue from Right or Left.