Wetzel, some very good points, even if i have a huge headache from all the reading off the moniter.

i admit, i'm a bit of fanatic sometimes, and when i reread my posts, apparently i was a bit of one before. i accept the fact that everything that can be gained from cloning is an iffy, there's no 100% way of knowing that anything useful will come out of it. but, you must remember, bush's defense seems to be religion, hidden under the guise of morals, and the only thing backing up religion is faith, beacuse most of it has never been proved. i guess you can say i have faith in cloning and the advances it would bring.
the biggest problem about this debate is that there's not enough hard evidence for either side, although, it still is very interesting, and rather fun too.
