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Re: Appropriate penalties for off-the-field ethical/behavioral violations

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Originally Posted by Bharat Nain
That by itself is enough to make the team hate FIRST and go around making bad comments about everything. Announcing things just makes it worse. As I pointed out in my earlier post, who knows if the whole team was for it. What if half the team was totally against it, those kids would probably feel like killing themselves the moment they hear something like that announced. I know this because its happen to me many times in other sports. Putting down teams verbally is not the way to go, it just causes more problems, especially at a competition. Yes, eventually it'll become "the talk" in the whole of FIRST if a team was caught violating a rule, and its not good. And then as Mike Ciance and Phil 33 pointed out, we need to know the degree of the violation more than anything else. And also made clear what is a violating and whats not.

If we're talking about leveling the playing field, maybe taking a part to the hotel and working on it is fine(maybe FIRST decides to say its ok). You're still leveling the playing field if every team is allowed to take one or two parts to the hotel and working on them because all teams get about the same time to work in hotels. It has its own problems though.
FIRST would never make it policy to allow teams to work on their robots at their hotels---hotels would hate that, and when you're a nonprofit organization, bad publicity is the last thing you need.

And this may sound harsh, but if there's a team with teachers and mentors who tolerate extreme rule-breaking, and students who do nothing to provoke some sort of change, I'm not sure I want any of them in my organization, much less as the scientist or engineer who will be developing the technologies of the future. There isn't anything inspirational about cheating, and it obviously doesn't display gracious professionalism, so why should cheaters waste both our time and their time by participating in FIRST. This goes a bit beyond hurting people's feelings and bad reputations...


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Originally Posted by phrontist
That being said, the rules should be extremely clear, with no room for interpretation.
When the rules are extremely clear, people try their hardest to find loopholes. Last year, we were told that common sense and gracious profressionalism would prevail. FIRST shouldn't have to make ironclad rules and regulations in order to function safely and without cheating.
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