mmmmm a little embarassing but i found my problem....
it is not infact a 2004 conroller, it is 2003 or something,
I looked at a picture on IFIrobotics.com and then hit my hand on my forhead.
The pwm conectors are all spaced out on the one we have been given, free is free right?
so I need to run it off the program port ithink if that is possible... this conroller has no ttl for sure( whatever the year is.) I am thinking i can run a DB9 cable (as if connecting to a computer) and run it to the camera.
all i can do is try I suppose, but if anyone has any useful info for me, do tell.