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Originally Posted by Ogre
I can see the argument about a robots wheels being covered and not highly visible to the ref. Let me ask everyone this: How many robots have you seen that you couldn't tell where they contacted the floor?
Looking at the the pictures of robots this year, there are very few that do not have any wheels/treads showing.
I don't see this being as big a problem as everyone predicts it will be.
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They may be visible so long as you're looking at that side of the robot. If the ref is not on that side of the robot, or cannot get to that side quickly enough, he may or may not call that "in". It was blatantly obvious to everyone standing on that side, but for the ref in the "wrong place at the wrong time", he couldn't see it because there was a whole robot body with side panels in his way. So does he flag it cuz he just missed it, or does he let it slide cuz it
seemed like the robot was "in"? To be "in", is it mandatory for a ref to physically see it each time, or is there some allowance in there?
If there's enough refs (12 min) to cover the field and see things from all angles, this hopefully shouldn't be an issue.
I don't think it's fair for a team to have to slow down their retrieval process so that a ref can get there and see it - if he's not in the right line of sight to see you're "in" to begin with.
I guess I just can't agree with the baseball player running over a base analogy that Update14 states. My opinion is that it's not the same situation purely because of visibility issues. The touching part - yes, ok. Visibility of seeing the touching - no.
I don't watch baseball much, but there's usually a ref (at home and 2nd?) that can watch 2 runners at a time, and they can tell if they touched the base from 50ft away. If there's a ref assigned to each LZ, we have a better chance of consistency and good calls. But doubt all regionals will have 12 refs available.
Throwing in the confusion of what a "base" is near the end definitely throws a wrench in the works for some, after already saying the drivetrain can touch....As long as the drivetrain doesn't have to meet the 28x30, then you should be ok.
I like the touching, I just can't wait to see how the "obviousness" of the touching is called. If there's problems, HP zone might be easier to make it obvious since you probably have to be in a less accurate position to get a tetra. Any refs out there that have a take on it prior to first regional?
I just hope everyone can work it out and that this long thread proves to have been riled up for nothin'.... We'll wait and see... and will be interested to hear the comments after first few regionals are over with.