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it's a fairyland because many of you assume everyone should be perfect and GP.. and when somebody comes here and posts any dissent many of you get your pitchforks click the red rep button and start a flamewar.. real Gracious professionals don't do that.. if you REALLY care message the person and find out exactly what they mean and talk to them.. not the world about how wrong they were so everyone else can join your mob of witchhuntery -- of course this will never happen so GP is a goal the community can't achieve because many of the members hypocrisies weigh it down
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If someone posts something that you disagree with, how is it wrong to post why you disagree with them? If you believe that dissent is such an important factor in our debate, why are you suggesting that we censor ourselves if we disagree? You say that people should post dissenting opinions, but you also say that those who disagree with them may not post why they disagree. Are you saying that "dissenters" should be allowed to post without being criticized, and those who are part of the "mainstream" should not dissent against the "dissenters"? If dissent should be allowed, why can't someone "dissent" against the "dissenter"? Ins't the definition of "dissenter" relative to what side of the debate you are coming from? I am confused!!
I think you are getting at something though, as much as I tend to disagree with your above statement. I think that you are trying to say that it is bad when attacks have
no real basis. For example, I believe that it is wrong to give negative rep to someone just because you disagree with them, even though they presented their opinion in a way that was constructive and respectful. However, I think that you are missing the fact that it is ok (at least in my opinion) to give negative rep to someone if they presented their views in a way that was insulting, negative, and rude.
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my rep box is littered with this - there is hypocrisy coating the GP world'
if we were truly GP nothing like this would ever exist.. the fact this forum topic is here shows nobody isn't -- the fact so many are quick to respond to this shows you all aren't
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Nobody is perfect. You are right about that. But I have a problem. The rhetoric of your posts suggests that all of the "mainstream" posters on this forum are intolerant of any form of criticism whatsoever. I disagree. Read some of the preceding posts - many of which are eloquent, insightful, and well written. Pretty much everyone believes that it is ok to voice differing opinions. Read Katie Reynold's post. In her post, she shows how there is a
clear distinction between respectful, constructive feedback and insulting negativity. Most of the people on this forum are quite tolerant of - and even celebrate -constructive criticism. What people have a problem with is the negative, demeaning, and insidious posts that have been proliferating here lately. Personally, I am FED UP with the "bad" critical posts, and I share the opinion that those who are making these statements need to stop.
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people vent.. they need to.. here is as good a place as any other.. and some of you have the right idea but most don't.. they are just jumping on the don't express any negative thoughts because that is BAD BAD BAD bandwagon.. which needs to crash very haaard
to sum this up.. many live in teh GP fairyland where everything is just dandy perfect-- to you I say lets make baby steps toward that goal.. and not assume everyone is perfect
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Yes, it is ok to be frustrated. No, Chief Delphi is not the place for venting. Yes, Chief Delphi is a place where problems can be presented for discussion. No, Chief Delphi is not a place where people come to gripe and moan over things they cannot change. Yes, Chief Delphi is a place where we can talk about what has happened in an effort to change things for the better. It is a place where we can freely discuss solutions to problems - so that all FIRSTers may have an even more rewarding experience - so that FIRST can do it's job even better.
There is a subtlety that exists in the realm of dissent - constructive vs. negative. This is something that more people who post on these forums need to realize. I suppose you think I am a member of the "negative thoughts are BAD BAD BAD" bandwagon, because I don't think it is ok to post insulting, angry complaints that cause no solutions to be brought forth. However, I bet you don't know that I am actually on the "constructive thoughts are GOOD GOOD GOOD" bandwagon - a bandwagon which celebrates thoughts that bring problems to the forefront of discussion, in order that they may be solved. SOLVED - not griped over, not cried over, not whined over.
I would like to see more people jump on my "constructive thoughts are GOOD GOOD GOOD" bandwagon. I would like it if more people would respond constructively to threads that talk about problems within FIRST. I would like it if more people would stop posting "frustration vents" inviting others to join in on expressing their woes. We don't need 43453464564 people to complain and cry in order to get things to change. No petition including 3234508234 complaints needs to be presented to FIRST to make them fix things. All we need to do is present problems in a manner which invites SOLUTIONS in order to get what we want. No volume of complaining will ever change things, because
good ideas and solutions are the only things which will ultimately improve this world.
That is what my bandwagon stands for. I hope you will all join me.
*gets off soapbox*
-- Jaine