Thread: Atheists?
View Single Post
  #52   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 08-05-2005, 23:42
KenWittlief KenWittlief is offline
.
no team
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 4,213
KenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond reputeKenWittlief has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Atheists?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan lall
Software per se does not "exist" without some physical manifestation. It is impossible to prove otherwise.

...This is flat out incorrect and is partly why your logic goes off track. The laws of physics do not only apply to objects.
Physics is about the physical world - thats what the word literally means - matter and energy

SW is neither matter or energy. I can create SW in my mind, without ever writing it physically, or even speaking the algorythm out loud

but I can run that program all the time. If I figure out its better to put my pants on by putting my feet in first than it is to pull them on over my head, thats SW - thats an algorythm "FGIF" (Feet Go In First)

I can then run the FGIF SW everyday of my life, and there is no way you could study the cells of my brain and find the SW in there

There is a branch of science that deals with this: information technology. Physics is not involved at all. You cant apply force to information - it does not accelerate - it contains no mass or energy, but information does exist

an example of information defying the laws of physics would be prayer. We are physical beings - we can only communicate with each other by putting information into some physical form - but the concept of praying - that God can know what we are thinking, that we can communicate 'telepathically' with God starts to open some insight

if we could communicate telepathically, would it take 2 seconds for a telepathic message to reach an astronaut on the moon? or would it be instantainious?