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Re: Atheists?
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Originally Posted by Tristan Lall
Aren't you forgetting something? The fact that we can easily show that IRS exists (what's written on the tax form—"IRS", and a number which you can call to ask "does the IRS exist"); there is no such contact information on God's purported work, no direct line to the divine.
The whole point is that you expect us to presuppose the existence of God, and use that as the justification for the things you advocate (most prominently, belief in God). This is a circular argument.

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Aha.... You are assuming that our world is deterministic. Actually according to one interpretation of quantum physics the IRS isn't neccessairly there until you actually observe it. I know that sounds stupid but that's one interpretation. You can't say the IRS is located in Washington D.C. because the world is based on probability. The many world interpretations says that the building is actually following different probabilistic patterns but we can only observe one. The many world interpretations is really interesting if you think of schrodinger's cat. Somewhere there is a cat that can get out of a posionous gas chamber alive while all our cats will just die. Yes.... I just threw a major monkey wrench into the argument. A really ugly monkey wrench. 
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Last edited by Adam Y. : 13-05-2005 at 15:59.
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