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Re: This year we need instant replay

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Originally Posted by Collmandoman
I think many overestimate how much equipment you would need for instant replay. One camera would suffice mounted over the playing field. How formal would this have to be... not very(someone could run up grab the camera and move to the spot of the match). Video proof is proof - if there isn't 'indisputable' evidence then you move on. If there is - then do something about it. For people saying that it would be UN GP to have instant replay, I can only say send me directions to your utopia - I'd love to live there. Regardless it's not even an issue about GP.

Ok, so I'm working at Delphi designing whatnot, and I screw up pretty big. In this real world they don't say.. well you tried your hardest, and your intentions were right - here's a pat on the back. You can lose your job. People saying it's UN-GP to second guess a ruling are using GP as a control in a pretty ridiculous way. Many of you GP as some absurd defense mechanism- just think... are you sending the right message to the participants in FIRST?

Alot of teams come to regionals with a gameplan, that's the product of months of planning, strategizing, hardwork, cooperation and whatnot. (I know FIRST isn't just about winning a regional - so save me the time with that response) To have several months of dedication be eraced in one facet of the competition because of a bad call is kind of silly. There should be a safeguard against this, and unfortunatly it might make a day longer by about 20 minutes at a FIRST event. Ok, the brains behind FIRST are pretty smart-- they could plan this out and hand a videocam to every regional. Heck - ppl could even let FIRST borrow on for the weekend *shock*. I dunno many of you seem to think it would ruin FIRST or something. Had the technology been around 100 years ago in college football - you'd prob here about this year as the 100th anniversary of instant replay. So lets put the T in FIRST and actually consider this.
So lets say ... people actually do consider this...... FIRST tries to make an event that suits spectators. This could add to the excitement of a first event with proper planning and structuring. Imagine the final match being contested and the proper team wins the event. OMG EXCITEMENT OMG
If you want to scream GP, scream it if the system was implemented and complete harda**es keep asking for matches to be reviewed. That would be a lack of GP. I think as a FIRST community -- ppl would be mature and noble enough to contest rulings when it's absolutly appropriate.
So there you go- get instant replay-- only because most of you are so ridiculously-mindlessly against it(ad it would be pretty neat).
One camera is not enough. You can't tell anything from one camera mounted directly above the playing field. About all you'll see is boxes moving around.

Let's put it this way--if a ref standing less than two feet away, looking directly at a robot say, can't tell if it is or isn't in the loading zone, how on earth do you figure a camcorder mounted twenty feet above the field will?

Last I checked, someone working at Delphi was there to provide a service in return for monetary compensation. Provide an inadequate service, you don't get paid. Refs in FIRST are volunteers, completely different situation.

I don't like how "GP" is tossed around every 5 seconds, but it surely isn't appropriate for people to boo and crap on people who give up time out of their busy lives to come referee, when the majority of the time, the person doing the criticizing couldn't have done a better job themselves. You're right--we aren't sending the right message out to people. Far too many think this kind of behavior is OK. The objective of FIRST isn't to teach kids to be sore losers.

If one bad call ruins your entire weekend, you're probably not getting much out of this program. It would probably be wise to re-evaluate the reasons you participate.

How can you compare to college football? College football has clear cut, tangible results. It results in schools either making or losing large sums of money, in addition to increased alumni donations when teams are winning. Getting "screwed" out of a win in a college football game is a MUCH bigger deal than losing one utterly insignificant FIRST match. In addition, the refs get paid.

Since you're into making comparisons to college sports, tell me when the last time was that you saw a instant replay setup that included only one camera to watch all the action? You need a whole bunch of cameras, to cover as many angles as possible.

How would instant replay make the game more spectator friendly? All it will do is slow the gameplay, thus making it harder to sit there and keep from getting bored.

Let's stop beating this dead horse.
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