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Originally Posted by Cory
One camera is not enough. You can't tell anything from one camera mounted directly above the playing field. About all you'll see is boxes moving around.
Let's put it this way--if a ref standing less than two feet away, looking directly at a robot say, can't tell if it is or isn't in the loading zone, how on earth do you figure a camcorder mounted twenty feet above the field will?
Last I checked, someone working at Delphi was there to provide a service in return for monetary compensation. Provide an inadequate service, you don't get paid. Refs in FIRST are volunteers, completely different situation.
I don't like how "GP" is tossed around every 5 seconds, but it surely isn't appropriate for people to boo and crap on people who give up time out of their busy lives to come referee, when the majority of the time, the person doing the criticizing couldn't have done a better job themselves. You're right--we aren't sending the right message out to people. Far too many think this kind of behavior is OK. The objective of FIRST isn't to teach kids to be sore losers.
If one bad call ruins your entire weekend, you're probably not getting much out of this program. It would probably be wise to re-evaluate the reasons you participate.
How can you compare to college football? College football has clear cut, tangible results. It results in schools either making or losing large sums of money, in addition to increased alumni donations when teams are winning. Getting "screwed" out of a win in a college football game is a MUCH bigger deal than losing one utterly insignificant FIRST match. In addition, the refs get paid.
Since you're into making comparisons to college sports, tell me when the last time was that you saw a instant replay setup that included only one camera to watch all the action? You need a whole bunch of cameras, to cover as many angles as possible.
How would instant replay make the game more spectator friendly? All it will do is slow the gameplay, thus making it harder to sit there and keep from getting bored.
Let's stop beating this dead horse.
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yes one video camera over the playing field actually turns the robots into unrecognizable boxes that blur the video site - infact a view from above would confuse most watchers, as they have never seen a robot from above? I guess I just dont understand you
I dont believe it's the calls the refs are 2 feet away from ppl are having problems with. It's the ones when they are looking the other way, or distracted by somethign else.
Ok hey, I volunteer at the redcross 20 hours a week, but that doesn't make it right for me to make mistakes. And I'm not saying they are purposefulyl making mistakes - if I could have a system in place where I could quickly fix somethign I did wrong.. even i was volunteering I would opt for it... pretty simple
I don't believe anyone is booing or crapping on the refs.. and I certaintly am not. If they could be aided to correct something they didn't see... I don't think they would mind. and if they did... um.. well that complex should keep them from volunteering in first
for the record, I've never been the result of a bad call.. so I'm not arguing for some past anger.. it just makes sense to atleast consider this
um, I was simply making a comparison to another organization with replay, and might I add - bc of it - things are nearly perfect --
think of this strange situation.... Some sponsor drops you because they dont' get enough recognition bc you lost the regional! (I know that's complame) BUT OMG what if?! I guess they aren't in FIRST for the right reasons then!! right?! but that doesn't matter, you dont' have money now-- boohoo
I think this is the cool thing, one camera can cover the entire field, with a pretty good view, and sense a camera taking footage over a field doesn't have any angle blindness it would most likely work very well. Think about it before you refuse it so quickly.
Teams could take a penalty for incorrectly challenging a call, or possibly gain everything by challenging. Fans like to see things disputed, especially ones without any team bias. Drama sells! If you disagree, turn on your tv and look for this pretty new "reality" tv thing sweeping into yours and my livingrooms'!
I think a thread is dead if it's locked - this horse is very alive.