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Originally Posted by Bill Gold
By that same note, do some more research, Ken, and note that in the EU capital punishment is outlawed and they have a lower homicide rate than the USA. Go fish, dude.
Sadly, he can. Look at United States' "interpretation" of the term "torture." "Oh... it's okay to torture as long as it's not done on our domestic soil. We'll just open up CIA prison camps in Europe and Guantanamo Bay so that we can legally get away with any kind of behavior we want." This is inarguable and irrefutable. Don't even bother, Ken and others.
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The fundamental problem with citing other countries as examples is that there is always different variables that can effect the outcome. The EU has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. The USA is quite the opposite where it's very easy and legal to own guns.
Your second paragraph reads like anti-Bush propaganda. I haven't seen any
credible evidence by an impartial party on the subject of torture at these camps. Are the prisoners going to say they were tortured? Of course, that will play right into the hearts of insurgents in Iraq and terrorists abroad. Of course the US government will say the torture doesn't occur. The only thing inarguable and irrefutable is that no one other than the people there know the truth about what it's like in those prisons.
Regardless of what research has been done to prove or disprove the effectiveness of capital punishment I like to leave it to common sense. If you knew that if you killed someone, and were caught and convicted, you yourself could be put to death; would you do it? I don't think so.