Rothy,
Let me begin by saying you are making way too many assumptions.
1) Before you post please get your facts straight.
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Originally Posted by CatchRothy22
Well it's pretty obvious. All sponsored by the same sponsor, all the same robot? Gee, look where the evidence points. 3 Teams, 1 robot. So you're saying these 3 teams came together, the students designed the robot, and they produced it for those 3 teams? I dont think so.
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Niagara FIRST is not a sponsor, it is a collection of three teams (1114. 1503, 1680) that decided to get together and build their robots with each other.
2) Saying that a robot was not student designed is not a good idea.
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I guarantee that the students and kids on these teams didn't build those robots. And building is not simple assembling parts that NiagaraFIRST sent them.
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You do not know what happened on that team. I agree with you that FIRST is all about students learning about engineering. BUT you cannot make assumptions and then go say that you didn’t.
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The argument is not about sponsors building their robot
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It sure looked like it…
3) Your whole schpeal about their design getting recognition is invalid.
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Originally Posted by CatchRothy22
What if one of these robots gets top 8, and they get to pick alliance. Odds are they're going to pick the same design'd robot if it's capiable of getting in top 8. This is just creating an unfair advantage for your design of winning.
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It’s not about getting recognition for your design. It is about joining with other teams to get more ideas to have a better design to begin with. Yes it is nice to get recognition for your design, but that’s not the whole point. It is very hard to keep a single team organized, let alone a culmination of three teams. The design process is all about finding the best design before you go out and make it. If you have more people working on the design, and separate designs, then you are bound to find the best deign possible. More hands equals more work.
Also it is not just the design that makes a team win. It also has to do with the drivers and their alliance. Strategy, luck, programming, driver skill, human player; these are all things that affect the outcome of a match, not just the robot design.
4) Bad for creativity? I beg to differ.
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Originally Posted by CatchRothy22
Okay, so I get the point the 3 teams came together and designed the robot, and produced exact copies for all 3 teams. I still think that's a horrible example of creativity and representing the FIRST spirit.
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The fact that a team, or three teams for that matter, decided to get together is a good example of creativity. We have never thought of doing this. In the real world there are many times when people seek help with designing things. Especially in the industrial world were there are many design firms. If a company has a part they want to make in an automated fashion, they send out a bid to design firms and the firms all come up with their own way to solve the problem. But in the end the company only chooses one. This is the same scenario.
5) I must be out of my mind.
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Originally Posted by CatchRothy22
For everyone saying that this is an "awesome" and great idea, and how great their robots are, I think you're out of your mind.
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I see a really good set of robots that look like they could do very well at competition. The design looks simple and effective with a lot of capability. Attention was paid during the design process because these robots have a high shooting height, probably to clear the top of other robots. I would be scared if I was against all three of these robots. They look like formidable fighting machines.
If you want to go and slander other teams on information you can’t be certain of, then fine, be the person that is always there nagging and saying negative things. But you must learn to look past a picture and see how this has changed people. I bet every kid on those three teams now knows more about engineering than they ever did. Even sitting there looking at what is going on you learn things. Humans and animals learn through imitation and imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. I see nothing wrong with what is going on and I applaud Karthik for what he has done with Niagara FIRST.
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Originally Posted by Don Wright
Personally, I don't care about this assumptionative (made up word by me) discussion going on here. It's quite silly.
What I do want are some specifics!!! Come on Karthik! Spill the beans on the designs. I want to know what we are up against (or with) at GLR in a week and two days!!!
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And yes come on I want to know all about these bad boys (or are they girls?)