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Originally Posted by The Lucas
I literally had a front row seat for this occurrence (front row of padded chairs right along the red ramp in question) so here is how I saw it:
Redabot spun 888 around so that its shooter was not facing the goal. Then Redabot pushes 888 against red ramp then backs off slightly so that 888's 4 wheels (2 drive, 2 caster) are on the carpet and 888 is not simultaneously making contact with Redabot and the ramp. 888's drive wheels were closest to Redabot and their casters were closest to the ramp. This wheel configuration along with their bumpers made it such that 888 could drive back and forth but not up the ramp or turn 90 degrees.
Later, one of the refs started a pinning count presumably after realizing 888 could move but could not get out of this situation. I would estimate over half the bots could have gotten out of that situation by driving up the ramp or turning. Redabot backed off immediately, but later pushed 888 up the ramp to score the points that would tie that match.
I am interested to hear how refs like Stu would interpret this situation since there is no simultaneous contact between the bots and ramp, which is a easily escapable situation for many robots.
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I am not sure where you were sitting but obvisouly you had a bad "angle". I am whatching the videotape as i write this post and i can give you a play by play account.
We were fighting for position in front of the high goal with team 1370, when they pushed our robot halfway up the ramp to keep us from shooting(completely legit and a good defensive call on thier part.) However, the force up the ramp caused our already strained casters from the previous matches to finally bend so that our robot could no longer make it up the ramp by ourselves. As our robot rolled back down the ramp, team 1370's robot backed up in front of ours so that they blocked us from moving after our robot was completely on the carpet. Team 1370's robot was sideways, perpindicular to the back of our robot. So i dont no how they backed up a little as you said. 1370 proceeded to leave their robot there when they realized that we could neither get up the ramp or push them off or turn.
After about 15 seconds of spinning our wheels desperately trying to free our robot the ref comes over to begin the count, relieving ourselves since we believed that they would be charged a penalty(it would be at least 20 points by that time). Since we believed that they were going to recieve a penalty and compensate for the time that was taken away from us to shoot i did not ask our allaince partners to push 1370 off our robot. Then abruptly the ref stopped the count and just watched as we could not move for another 20 seconds.
Afterwards, when we reviewed the video, our robot was completely pinned for a continuous 42 seconds.
and again i am uploading the video to this computer now so in time you will be able to see for yourselfs and have a first hand account.