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Re: Ideal Alliance Structure

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Originally Posted by Ethulin
Though I understand how this thread is the "Ideal" alliance structure, I wonder how people are taking into account the new picking system in their planning, going 1-8 then 8-1.

It seems that seed #1 really could get another good shooter on its side, but after teams 7-8 have picked TWICE (so 23 robots gone) do you really think another uber bot will be available?

So, to partcialy re-phrase the question:

What is your ideal but feasable alliance structure?
Who said the #1 alliance was the best shooter? Who said they were the best anything. The top 8 could unfold like this:

#1 - FRC 2001 (Okay defensive bot. Okay at collecting and dumping balls.) (7-0)
#2 - FRC 2002 (Great shooter. HP load only) (7-0)
#3 - FRC 2003 (Good shooter. Ground load only) (6-1)
#4 - FRC 2004 (Good Collector. Great dumper. Okay defense) (6-1)
#5 - FRC 2005 (Good shooter. Collect and HP load) (6-1)
#6 - FRC 2006 (Great Shooter. Collect and HP load) (6-1)
#7 - FRC 2007 (Good Collector. Great shooter. Okay dumper) (6-1)
#8 - FRC 2008 (Great Defensive bot. Okay shooter. HP load only) (6-1)

Then if you look down on the list you find

#9 - FRC 2009 (Amazing shooter. Collect and HP load)*** In all reality this could really be the best robot but got stuck in 1 match were 1 or more alliance partners didn't come out . Should be the number 1 seed because of higher QP points but lost the match were their alliance partner didn't come out.***
#12 - FRC 2010 (Great Shooter. Collect and HP load)
#13 - FRC 2011 (Great shooter. HP load only)
#20 - FRC 2012 (Good shooter. Collect and HP load)
#21 - FRC 2013 (Great shooter. HP load only)
#24 - FRC 2014 (Great Defensive bot. Okay shooter. HP load only)
#26 - FRC 2015 (Great Shooter. Collect and HP load)
#27 - FRC 2016 (Good shooter. Collect and HP load)
#31 - FRC 2017 (Great shooter. HP load only)
#33 - FRC 2018 (Good shooter. Collect and HP load)
#34 - FRC 2019 (Great Shooter. Collect and HP load)*** In all reality this could really be the best robot but got stuck in 3 matches were 1 or more alliance partners didn't come out***
#37 - FRC 2020 (Great shooter. HP load only)
#41 - FRC 2021 (Great Defensive bot. Okay shooter. HP load only) *** In all reality this could really be the best robot but got stuck in 4 matches were 1 or more alliance partners didn't come out***
#42 - FRC 2022 (Good shooter. Collect and HP load)
#44 - FRC 2023 (Great shooter. HP load only)
#50 - FRC 2024 (Good shooter. Collect and HP load)
#61 - FRC 2025 (Great Defensive bot. Okay shooter. HP load only) *** In all reality this could really be the best robot but got stuck in 5 matches were 1 or more alliance partners didn't come out***
#68 - FRC 2026 (Great shooter. HP load only) *** In all reality this could really be the best robot but got stuck in 6 matches were 1 or more alliance partners didn't come out***

Now this is only 26 teams, that are either good at offense or defense. Now i'm pretty sure a division at the Championship will have atleast 26 robots. So i'm not seeing any alliance having a weak alliance unless they were 'carried' into seeding.

So basically its not about the draft, it is still all about scouting.
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