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Originally Posted by 379Robocat
In the two regionals we have been to Cleveland and Detroit the scoring seemed to be horrible. More so in Detroit then Cleveland but it was still bad. The problem was that there were a lot of kids tending to the field instead of refs. So therefore if we had 10 balls at the start of the game and during auto mode we went to the side goal and dumped all the balls not one came out we only got credit for about 6 of them and ended up loosing auto mode because of this. Many balls were not counted like they should have been because the crew was to busy paying attention to other things. In cleveland it seemed that there were only a few ties at the end of the competition. 3 of them belonged to us and I think that's all there was. We were leading the match 47-16 and back to back matches they said that our matches ended up in a 17-17 tie. Is that possible to go from that lead to a tie not once but twice with the same score. There were no penalities in the match and if we correctly did the scoring in our heads then we should have won out matches my somewhat of a lead. The last match they said that we won and then about 3 matches later they said they made a mistake and that was a tie but there was no explaination. When asking the refs they really had nothing to say. It seemed that this year FIRST relied more on the youth then the adults and I don't feel that if you are on a FIRST team you should be allowed to work at a competition where your team is at. I know they want to help and that's what FIRST is about but if they are on a team who's to say they aren't fudging a score? It seemed that there were many field scorers that belonged on teams and I don't feel that is is right to do that. Correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I feel about it because not everyone involved in FIRST is a perfect person. I also didn't feel that it was right that if a ball went in the center goal and bounced out that it wasn't counted. It was scored into the goal and came out for reasons unknown. That happened MANY times in Detroit. Some of the balls were getting counted a few times because if the balls were jammed and they had to take the stick to poke it it triggered the camera a few times then need be. Did anyone else seem to have and of these problems? hopefully our last competition in Philly will be better.
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Ok, 5 things...
1. The center goal is something a team should have adapted to.
2. Computer Scoring wasn't half-bad.
3. Human scoring wasn't that problematic.
4.Many Refs,Voluteers were Alumni of teams, but they (as far as I know) made a call to their advantage (unless rightfully so)
5. Field Glitches wern't even noticed during one of our matches. The autonomous never activated, everyone got mad, but we still won and didn't complain about it (expecially should have affected us as we are partial masters in autonomous)
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Originally Posted by Btower
Be professional, get your facts straight before making a statement.
1. The students in Detroit were not competing. Their robot was sitting in the warehouse. They, like most of us who volunteer are not part of the actual competition. The team in question was there from setup until we pushed the crates into the truck. The event could not have happened without them.
2. The game design, not the volunteers are the root of the scoring issues. So stop blaming them, pehaps you should volunteer your time to be a scorer at an event and deal with the various claims of cheating, napping, mis scoring etc.
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I totally agree with you!
Just My Opinions!
Tomasz Bania