
29-03-2006, 13:48
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Formerly a Winnovator
AKA: Alec Hill
 FRC #3617 (Cold Logic)
Team Role: Mentor
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Marquette, MI
Posts: 184
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Re: Ball speed testing after matches
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Originally Posted by Richard
I don't have nearly enough data to reach a conclusion on this, but the following experiences might be helpful to those who perform ball speed tests, or to teams with robots that require ball speed testing, at the remaining events.
At STL, the head ref (Frank Kusiak, who was also head ref at MWR the following week) and the lead robot inspector (I) met Thursday to develop a procedure by which ball speed tests would be conducted. It went like this:
1. No ball speed testing was included in the required robot inspection checklist. This is established by FIRST headquarters and is not a regional option for lead robot inspectors.
2. Our interpretation of <S02> was that the head ref is the only official at the event who can order a ball speed test. The head ref may rely on his/her own observations and those of the other referees when deciding to order a test, or he/she may choose to respond to protests from competitors; i.e., drivers and/or HPs on the field.
3. When a ball speed test is ordered, the test equipment provided by FIRST is to be used in a manner directed by the FTA at the event. Robot inspectors will conduct the test with the assistance of the FTA if required, and with the cooperation of the team whose ball speed is being tested. This ensures that the team receives immediate feedback from the test.
4. Test conditions are as follows: the team is instructed to fire one ball per test through the FIRST ball speedometer into a curtain, and the speed of that ball is read using LabView. At STL we had the team repeat this test with several (at least five) balls, and looked for a consistent result. We ignored measurements that were inconsistent, assuming that high results were due to the shooter contacting the ball at the hard spot and that low results were due to incorrect speedometer alignment with the ball launch path.
5. When a consistent result exceeding 12 m/s was obtained, we advised the team that they needed to take corrective action. Teams were permitted to make software corrections at the test area and repeat testing immediately.
6. When a consistent result at 12 m/s or lower was obtained we advised the team and the head ref that the ball speed test had been passed.
Six teams had ball speed tests ordered by the head ref at STL. The only team for which multiple tests were ordered was 1625. My opinion is that 1625's shooter was legal in all matches that I observed; however, the backspin imparted by their shooter mechanism created a relatively flat trajectory and increased range, making their initial ball speed appear faster than it actually was. It was this appearance (IMO) that caused the head ref to order repeated ball speed testing. Again IMO, time spent on testing and overcorrection of the shooter wheel PWM level caused 1625 to perform worse than they could have in a few qualifying matches.
Two weeks later while volunteering as a robot inspector at Waterloo, I saw team 1596 suffer similar results for similar reasons: backspin caused flat trajectory and overcorrection caused low initial ball speed (with significant loss of range) in one or two qualifying matches. As with 1625, my opinion is that 1596's shooter was legal in all matches that I observed. In each case (1625 and 1596) the robot had one of the best (arguably the best) shooter at the event.
The point here is that it does not matter what the inspector or lead inspector thinks, only what he/she measures. What matters is the head referee's judgement, and in my opinion that factor has been remarkably consistent at events I attended and at those I watched via webcast.
My feeling is that there must be some method for ensuring compliance with <S02> and that the head referee's judgement is the best method. Test equipment and procedures can certainly be improved, and hopefully FIRST will provide some guidance.
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Thank you very much for this quote. You are correct in everything that you said. Very gracious and very professional. I should have taken more time to think before I posted.
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