
31-03-2006, 08:23
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FIRST's Spare, Queuer & Tech guy =)
AKA: Mike M. / Mouse =)
no team (FRC Volunteer)
Team Role: Alumni
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Staten Island, NYC
Posts: 1,504
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Re: "Random" Match List Generation
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Originally Posted by Waynep
I disagree with you on this one and I know a couple of the other top teams will agree with me on this. We played at Pittsburgh with only 24 teams and saw far more randomness than at NYC. We wound up playing with teams 3+ times either allied or against, and others none. Sometimes allied twice and then agains once, or vice versa. There were some teams that we never played with on a field. This could be great for some teams, but horrible for others depending on the alliance strength. Furthermore, this throws the "Random Generator" Factor into seeding for some of the teams. Top performers should stay on top, but there were some non-scoring bots and sometimes non-driving bots that made the top 8 due to their alliance partners performance. The Master Puppeteer Theory is something we partially believe, our first 2 matches were against 375, NJ #2 Seed, and our Regional Championship Alliance partner 2 years in a row. I'm in agreement with the other engineers/mentors, at smaller Regionals space the matches out further, even if it means playing fewer matches we should play at least all of the teams once.
Best,
Wayne
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Wayne you can blame joshua who was behind the scenes putting all the figures in for the match schedule =).
I'll stand by my opinion that matches do need to be randominized and will settle on the fact the way FIRST and Hatch should do it should be changed. There have been some pretty good idea(s) on how this can be accomplished and when the end of the season thread opens up this should be one of the items brought up. Hopefully there will be more teams attending each regional so maybe there will be some more randominzation of a different way. And I also agree with Ken so he's not insane ;-)
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Past FIRST Robotics Events that I proudly volunteered at: FLL: NY State Competition '03
FRC: NYC Remote Kickoff '04 & NYC Regionals '04-'15 ,'10-'13 & NJ Regionals '06-'10, Finger Lakes Regional '09 & SBPLI Regional '08-'15 and the World Championship in '05 (Galileo Field) '07 (Newton Field) '09 (Practice Fields Attendant / FTA(A)), CeBIT Convention in '04 & NextFEST in '06 both held @ the Javitts Center, Monty Madness '07-'10, Panda-monium '08, B.Eruption '08 & '09, Ramp Riot '08, PARC '09 & '10, BR^2 '09 & Wol. Inv. '09 -'15
2015 FIRST Robotics Off Season Events that I hope to volunteer at: Where is Wolcott Invitational 2015 FIRST Robotics Events that I will be volunteering at: SBPLI Reg. & Championships Volunteer Resume: Alt & Lead Team Queuer, Field Repair/Reset, Field Setup/Breakdown, Spare Parts Attendant, Field Power Controller/Score Keeper, Co-Emcee & Official Scorer, Control System Advisor, FIRST Tech Advisor Assistant & recently Practice Field Attendant.
Last edited by mtaman02 : 31-03-2006 at 20:11.
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